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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Girls (Jennifer Lopez song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 12:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Second GA review to be opened by me today, will make comments shortly with pride! --Kyle Peake (talk) 12:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Target streaming to Streaming media

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Change Capitol to Capitol Records in the infobox

• ✗ per Template:Infobox_song#label, we drop the "records" part of the label name so I'm not sure what you mean as Capitol is piped to Capitol Records → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Target Mustard's real name mention to Mustard (record producer)

• ✓, hadn't realised his name changed so this has been done. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Wikilink Jennifer Lopez under writers to her page

• ✗, per WP:OVERLINK, she is already linked once in the infobox and in the lead, further links aren't needed.

• "recorded by American singer Jennifer Lopez, taken from her eighth studio album, A.K.A. (2014)." → "by American musician Jennifer Lopez from her eighth studio album, A.K.A. (2014)." since this is more of a rap song so name her as a "musician"

• ✗, the nature of the song doesn't determine the person's profession. She is a singer primarily (vocals) not a musician as this would imply she plays musical instruments other than using her vocals which she doesn.

Change the other parts but keep as "American singer" then. --Kyle Peake (talk) 15:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• ✓ done? → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• The second sentence should be in the second para exactly before the one about versions of A.K.A. that include it

• ✓, done by rewriting this section, addressed all of these points → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Make the first para's fourth sentence mention the song being released as a promotional single from the album on January 22, 2014

• ✓, done by rewriting this section, addressed all of these points → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• The info about writing and production should come directly after the first sentence now, which covers sentences two and three

• ✓, done by rewriting this section, addressed all of these points → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "the song's producer Dijon "DJ Mustard" McFarlane, with" → "DJ Mustard, with" since we know he's the producer

• ✓, dealt with all the points about by rewriting the intro.

• Add wikilink on Trevor Muzzy

• ✓, → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• The beginning sentence of the second para works fine in terms of not being overly repetitive, since it is giving more context on the release

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Mention the hip hop and R&B info in the lead

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Follow on this by mentioning the song's meaning

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "It received a mixed" → "The former received a mixed" elsewise seems like they are talking about "Same Girl"

• ✓ clarified this → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "from critics who praised the" → "from music critics, who praised its"

• ✓ updated → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "had limited success on the charts" → "experienced limited success on music charts"

• ✓ updated → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Shouldn't the chart be mentioned as Gaon?

• ✓ updated → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "A remix of it was released on March 1, 2014, featuring a guest rap from American rapper Tyga." Add this sentence!

• ✓ fixed → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• The first sentence still needs fixing, even though you should mention her as a singer. --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• Not sure. what you mean. The first sentence of the article refers to Lopez as a singer which is her primary profession, and Tyga in his first mention as a rapper? → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

Background and release

• Writing list sentence should be at the very beginning of this section instead

• Partially implemented Wrote section better, bringing that sentence up but leaving it after the being teased sentence → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 21:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

• "who also handled production" → "who solely handled production"

• Partially implemented, changed the sentence to include vocal producers

• "as a buzz single on" → "as a promotional single on" since they are the same thing but you are marketing the article as the latter

• ✓ updated → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "in the United States" → "in the United States and Canada" as they were on the same date; add the Canada release ref to the end of the sentence too

• ✓ updated → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Put the refs in numerical order --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• ✓ updated → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "The song was later released for digital download in various other countries on January 30 of that year." Add this as the next sentence, supported by the refs from release history

• Add the citations at the end of the sentence, as this is obviously a better way of sourcing than to wikilink to another section that is in an article this short. Also, make the grammar fixes I suggested, apart from changing ""Girls"" to "The song" --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• ✓ updated → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "of the song featuring rapper Tyga was" → "of the song, featuring rapper Tyga, was"

• ✓ updated → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "of Lopez's eighth studio album, A.K.A.." → "of A.K.A."

• ✓ reworded those sentences → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• The ref cited at the end of the above sentence only mentions a potential release and doesn't talk about Japan or Target – fix this?

• ✓ changed references → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Think you could add a picture of Tyga to this section stating that he collaborated with Lopez on the remix, maybe?

• Give the img alt text --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• ✓ added

• Merge Release and reception into one section, as the current sections are only one para each; keep them as two separate paras in the combined section, though. --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• ✓ updated as suggested. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

Writing and production

• Retitle to Composition

• Partially implemented reorganised so that composition is with background → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "The song runs for a duration" → ""Girls" runs for a duration"

• ✓ reworded → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "fifty-eight seconds" → "58 seconds" per MOS:NUMBERS

• ✓ reworded → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• ""Girls" is a mid-tempo" → "The track is a mid-tempo"

• ✓ reworded → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Is the meaning of this song about having fun? If so, then you should maybe give proper context for the quote of Lopez or source something else if that isn't the correct meaning.

• ✗ I've tried to reword but there isn't much sourced about what the song is about or commentary on its lyrics → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "anthem"[9] while" → "anthem",[9] while"

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "as having DJ Mustard's" → "as including DJ Mustard's"

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Italicise ETonline and target to Entertainment Tonight

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "compared the song's lyrics to" → "noted the song's lyrics as being reminiscent of"

• ✓ said something along these lines now instead → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Add release year of the single in brackets

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

Reception

• ""Girls" was met with mixed reviews from music critics." should be the opening sentence

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "of the website Popdust" → "from Popdust"

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "noting that" → "noting that:"

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "since her remix album" → "since Lopez's remix album"

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "Rap-Up, in response" → "The staff of Rap-Up, in response"

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "Robbie Daw of the musical website Idolator" → "In a mixed review, Robbie Daw of Idolator"

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Add the song's sole chart position here, beginning the sentence with "Commercially,"

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

Live performance

• This is the only performance of the song mentioned; either add more to create a full Live performances section or include the sole performance in the lead, similarly to the process of Talk:Mirror (Lil Wayne song)/GA1.

• ✓ Re-wrote section → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• "performed the song live for the first time at" → performed the song live at" if this is the only performance

• ✓ tweaked → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 21:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Track listing

• Retitle to Track listings since there's more than one

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Are you sure that a col is needed?

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

Personnel

• Retitle to Credits and personnel

• ✗ this section only has information about the people and not the studio locations. Stylistic choice. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 21:16, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

• Source is great, but any specific order here?

• ✗ the credits are in alphabetical surname order as is standard? → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

Charts

• The table should be orderable even though there is only one position, as this is how they are supposed to be formatted

• ✗, that is a pure stylistic choice as there is no functional purpose to being able to sort one entry in a table. I am not aware of a consensus that says tables have to be formatted that way when there is only one entry. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

Release history

• Version needs to be capitalised

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Target Streaming to Streaming media

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Center all of the refs

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Target EMI Music to EMI

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

References

• Copyvio score looks great!
• Archive all of these with the tool

• Kyle Peake do you have a recommended tool for archiving? → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Lil-unique1 Use the button that says Fix dead links when you are viewing page history. --Kyle Peake (talk) 19:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Wikilink Rap-Up on ref 1

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Change Popdust, Inc. to Popdust on ref 2

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Digital Spy is a publisher so cite it as one on ref 3 and remove the other publisher since that's redundant

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Wikilink Amazon.com to Amazon (company) on ref 4

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Wikilink The Huffington Post to HuffPost on ref 6

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Popjustice should not be italicised on ref 7

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Italicise Latina on ref 8 and target to Latina (magazine)

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Target Vibe to Vibe (magazine) on ref 10

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Target ETonline to Entertainment Tonight on ref 12

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Target Idolator to Idolator (website) and change it to publisher on ref 13; remove SpinMedia at the same time

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Change ref 14 to citing Gulf News with the wikilink

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Fix ref 14's date formatting as it is inconsistent with the other refs

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• Do the same process for ref 15 with 7digital

• ✓ → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) -

• On what is now ref 14, Amazon.co.jp should not be italicised --Kyle Peake (talk) 19:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

• ✗ per Template:Cite_web#Website, any website name should be italicised. Whilst Amazon is the name of a company it is also a website

Final comments and verdict

 On hold and you have a week to comply since this is a short article. --Kyle Peake (talk) 13:42, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Lil-unique1 There are a couple of issues that I have noticed; no mention of the song being a promo single is offered anywhere in the body, also ref 2 claims that the song was premiered on January 22, 2014, so change this in prose as well as the infobox and release history. --Kyle Peake (talk) 02:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

✓ January 22 is already listed across the article. I have added in promotional single to background and release. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 09:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lil-unique1: "On January 23, 2014, "Girls" was premiered online" is still in the prose of Release and reception; why have you not fixed this clear error? --Kyle Peake (talk) 10:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

✓, is being an idiot an appropriate excuse? I didn't see it. Apologies → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 10:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Lil-unique1 No it's nothing to sweat over haha, we all make typos... ✓ Pass and the latter's definitely not a typo, happily for us! --Kyle Peake (talk) 11:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)