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 | On 11 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Go woke go broke to Go woke, go broke. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Bias?
editI deleted a certain part of the Articles lead that said that Barbie was a woke movie and I found that to be not true there was a unregistered user I agree with him I found this to be an example of cherry picking there are hundreds of examples of go woke go broke like Vice buzzfeed Sports Illustrated. so i dont get how you all want to keep the edit. Easyrider291 (talk) 16:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are multiple reliable sources that cite that the movie was called woke and that the slogan of the article was challenged by the movie.
- The consensus is that the movie is a good counterexample and the inclusion is well sourced. Raladic (talk) 18:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well I watched the movie with my younger sister because she wanted to when the movie was in theaters and there was nothing in the movie that I would call woke if anything it may have perceived the fact that perfect woman are blonde cute and slim which is harmful for young women you can't just take what news sources say without actually looking at the actual product Easyrider291 (talk) 22:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- The fact remains that this is one example, out of many, of a product derided as "woke" by many right-wing outlets and known people while bearing financial success. Maybe the article could be expanded with a whole section on the subject of things derided with the phrase which went on to be successful? If the justification for having it mentioned in the lead is that it's a counter-example, then the justification for such a subsection is kind-of a given. 2A02:1210:1C27:2900:E4C4:DC39:DAAA:EE91 (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- It's not Wikipedia's place to "provide counter-examples" at all, unless this is something which journalism or scholarship has expanded on and it is relevant to the subject. For example if the NYT had written an article about the various commercial successes that had happened despite boycott attempts, that would be relevant. Wikipedia's place is to document the catchphrase, how it's been applied, the boycott attempts that have been made, and what _external sources_ have been able to assess about its impact. Any inclusion of a list of commercially successful movies that have been termed "woke" would be WP:OR. ChessFiends (talk) 12:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- The fact remains that this is one example, out of many, of a product derided as "woke" by many right-wing outlets and known people while bearing financial success. Maybe the article could be expanded with a whole section on the subject of things derided with the phrase which went on to be successful? If the justification for having it mentioned in the lead is that it's a counter-example, then the justification for such a subsection is kind-of a given. 2A02:1210:1C27:2900:E4C4:DC39:DAAA:EE91 (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well I watched the movie with my younger sister because she wanted to when the movie was in theaters and there was nothing in the movie that I would call woke if anything it may have perceived the fact that perfect woman are blonde cute and slim which is harmful for young women you can't just take what news sources say without actually looking at the actual product Easyrider291 (talk) 22:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Category removal
edit@User:MSMST1543, please stop reverting per WP:BRD and please explain why you believe these appropriate categories [1] should be removed from the article without any explanation. Raladic (talk) 04:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- They’re inappropriate categories. MSMST1543 (talk) 14:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, each of the categories is backed by the cited sources or discussed in the article. Please note that Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, so while you may not like it, they represent the consensus on the topic. Raladic (talk) 15:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it is a Trumpism, Trump may have criticized "woke", but the phrase as such is not his idea. I wouldn't describe it as far right politics either, since it is a broadly right wing catch phrase. Hzh (talk) 20:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- The cited RS and discussion in the article support both as the term was popularized by him and much of the and same goes for the politics categories. So the removal of the categories is unwarranted. Raladic (talk) 20:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which source? Hzh (talk) 21:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- If no source can be produced that links Trump closely with this phrase, then the category can be removed. Ditto with far-right politics (I have seen websites that claim "Go woke, go broke" is far-right, but they are not RS). Hzh (talk) 23:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Which source? Hzh (talk) 21:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- The cited RS and discussion in the article support both as the term was popularized by him and much of the and same goes for the politics categories. So the removal of the categories is unwarranted. Raladic (talk) 20:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it is a Trumpism, Trump may have criticized "woke", but the phrase as such is not his idea. I wouldn't describe it as far right politics either, since it is a broadly right wing catch phrase. Hzh (talk) 20:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, each of the categories is backed by the cited sources or discussed in the article. Please note that Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, so while you may not like it, they represent the consensus on the topic. Raladic (talk) 15:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)