Talk:Grave Peril (The Dresden Files)

Its been a while since I read the book, but the plot makes no sense. I read throught it, and it doesn't explain about attacking Loenid Kravos in the first place. it just says that the nightmare is his pet without ever refering to him beforehand. Can someone fix this? I don't have the early books anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.157.10 (talk) 01:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit Warring

@TheRedPenOfDoom: Please stop reverting changes to the article as they appear. I am attempting to make changes to the article which you have indicated needed to be made. Your insistence upon reverting while I do so is disruptive and counterproductive. In addition, amazon is a perfectly valid source for publication information, despite your assertion to the contrary I can find hundreds of uncontested uses of amazon.com as a source for similar information, and the results here show that the consensus is against you. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 17:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts - you get an "E". but When your attempted changes do not actually address any of the issues, dont expect to get a gold star. If you believe that Amazon is an actual reliable source, with a reputation for fact checking, accuracy and editorial oversight and not commercial plugging of its products, you can make your case at WP:RSN. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:59, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Your poor attitude notwithstanding, the case has already been made -time and time again- as illustrated in the link I provided you already. If you need more specific links because you feel you can't be bothered to scroll through that page, try these:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_167#Amazon.com.2C_Target.com_and_Itunes_sales_pages_as_reference_for_discography
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_15#Amazon.com_review
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_7#Amazon.com_as_a_RS_for_merchandise.3F
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_21#Is_Amazon.com_a_reliable_source.3F

MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 18:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Your insistence upon replacing the notability tag is disturbing. What part of my edit summary do you feel is incorrect? I can demonstrate the television adaptation, the film option, the internet meme, the conventions, etc. So please try to make a coherent case instead of relying upon "Nu-uh" arguments and I will address it. Do you require a source that says "This is an important novel" ? If so, I suggest you begin broadening your criteria, because there are thousands of books, films, television series, albums and other works of art out there whose notability can be questioned by that (and only that) logic. Otherwise, please go find a different article to edit. Your ownership of this article is disruptive. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 18:17, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

P.S. A google search for the term "Grave Peril" produces page after page of results for this novel, despite the idiomatic nature of the phrase. I can think of no better proof of notability than a book's ability to wholly co-opt such an idiomatic phrase on an internet search engine. If you want documentation, say so, but as I already mentioned, documentation of notability is in short supply for thousands of notable works. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 18:22, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:GHITS is explicitly noted as NOT a measurement of notability. what is a measure of notability is significant coverage by reliable third party sources. Corporations shilling the product are NOT third party and so even if "reliable" for certain very limited bits of information is very specific cases, do not help in any manner to establish notability. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

The search page was a provided to you, not as a proposed source. Why don't you try some of these:

• http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-451-45844-5
• http://booklistonline.com/Grave-Peril-Jim-Butcher/pid=645330
• http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/91476.Grave_Peril
• http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/grave-peril-jim-butcher/1100360077?ean=9780451458445
• http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/11/the-dresden-files-reread-book-3-grave-peril
• http://www.kissofvampires.com/book/Jim_Butcher/Grave_Peril/
• http://www.bookrags.com/studyguide-grave-peril/#gsc.tab=0
• https://www.sfsite.com/09b/gp112.htm
• http://www.sfreviews.net/grave_peril.html
• http://subterraneanpress.com/store/product_detail/grave_peril
• http://www.tvguide.com/roush/Dresden-Sci-Fis-9835.aspx
• http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i58/2/11/30/frabz-THE-DRESDEN-FILES-Where-the-mess-just-keeps-piling-up-b38e13.jpg
• http://www.tumblr.com/search/dresden%20files%20cosplay

I guess being reviewed by pretty much every sci-fi/fantasy review site, being sold by pretty much every major North American book reseller, being made into a television series starring an award winning actor, getting turned into an internet meme and inspiring thousands (at a minimum) of fans doesn't meet your notability requirements, but it certainly meets WP:N. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 19:11, 16 December 2014 (UTC)