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On 18 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Greystar Real Estate Partners to Greystar. The result of the discussion was moved. |
COI edit requests
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Hi! I'm posting here on behalf of Greystar, which is a client of mine. I'd like to request some updates to this article. All the edits below are mocked up in my sandbox, here.
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1. Removing 2. Updating "total assets" to 3. Updating to
Removing a primary source, adding a new source, rescuing a dead URL, and updating the key stat. 4. Updating to
External source, updated number. 5. Deleting History
6. Updating to
7. Updating to
More recent source, updated number. 8. Adding to beginning of second paragraph: 9. Updating to
More concise, with updated information. May also want to move this to later in the section to retain chronological order. 10. Deleting Notable buildings
11. Adding refs for Chapter Spitalfields: [23][24] Other
12. Adding References
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by MaryGaulke (talk • contribs) 13:40, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Reply 11-OCT-2019
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- @Spintendo: Hi! I reached out to 2601:188:180:1481:65f5:930c:b0b2:cd63 a week ago, but they haven't been active on Wikipedia in over a month. Any other ideas for how I can get that
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flag reviewed? Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 04:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Spintendo: Hi! I reached out to 2601:188:180:1481:65f5:930c:b0b2:cd63 a week ago, but they haven't been active on Wikipedia in over a month. Any other ideas for how I can get that
Edit request clarifications
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@Spintendo: Thank you as ever! Some clarifications:
- For the AUM figure, updated:
As of April 2019, Greystar had $32 billion in gross [[assets under management]].<ref>{{cite news |last1=Fu |first1=Lisa |title=Greystar hires Angelo Gordon exec to oversee new funds platform |url=https://www.perenews.com/greystar-hires-angelo-gordon-exec-oversee-new-funds-platform-exclusive/ |accessdate=17 September 2019 |work=Pere |publisher=[[PEI Media]] |date=8 April 2019}}</ref>
- Instead of "more than 50 offices":
and 51 offices in the U.S., Europe, Latin America and the Asia-Pacific region.<ref>{{cite web |title=About Us |url=https://www.greystar.com/about-greystar/about |website=Greystar |accessdate=26 September 2019}}</ref>
- Instead of "oversees", let's go for:
The company manages a global portfolio of approximately 500,000 conventional units and student beds.<ref name="Menear"/>
- Wasn't sure if refs were needed here to demonstrate Chapter Spitalfields' link to Greystar, but I guess not!
Thanks again. Mary Gaulke (talk) 00:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Reply 27-OCT-2019
editEdit request implemented Spintendo 02:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
one more small edit request
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Hi, sorry for the doubling up here. I've learned that the language in the first sentence of the lead ("build-to-rent multi-occupancy buildings") is rather British-inflected, which is incongruous and unnecessarily confusing for a U.S.-based company. The current wording also implies that Greystar only operates in the U.S., which is inaccurate. Here's a proposed rewrite of that first sentence: Greystar Real Estate Partners is a U.S.-based developer, investor and manager of rental housing properties around the world.
Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 02:19, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- A reference has not been provided for the revised wording. References are not usually needed in the lead section, but in this case, the proposed claims do not exist anywhere else in the article. If the Fu-authored coverage of the company's press release is applicable to the revised sentence, kindly provide the verbatim text from Ms. Fu for confirmation. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo 08:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi! This ref (<ref name="Menear"/>) already in the article backs up the claim. The Mattioli source in the article also corroborates. Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 22:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Mary! I have clarified the lead section to indicate that the company is an international real estate manager and developer based in the US, and that the company manages more than 500,000 units/beds of apartment infrastructure in the United States, per the Menear source.
- The claim to being "the largest operator of apartment infrastructure in the US" does not subscribe to any specific metric which may be used for verification purposes (i.e., the largest how and in what way — either the square acreage of apartments managed, the monetary $$ value of apartments managed, or the cumulative number of apartments managed, etc.). In mentioning the number of units/beds under management, the claim seems to be using that metric to arrive at itself. However, no official numbers of how many apartments are under management in total across the US are offered to buttress this claim. In making that claim, Menear likely arrived at that distinction by way of the company-provided press release which informed a part of their reporting on that particular story. Bottom line, we can use the numbers because those numbers are informative and don't embellish. The other claims are more problematic, and thus I would have been uncomfortable implementing them. Regards, Spintendo 09:08, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Totally understood! I wasn't looking for any kind of "largest" wording; agree that would be WP:PUFF. Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hi! This ref (<ref name="Menear"/>) already in the article backs up the claim. The Mattioli source in the article also corroborates. Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 22:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
2022 COI edit requests
editAn impartial editor has reviewed the proposed edit(s) and asked the editor with a conflict of interest to go ahead and make the suggested changes. |
Hi! I'm posting here on behalf of Greystar. I'd like to request some updates to this article. The proposed updates are also mocked up here, and I'm open to any other feedback on how to make this easier to review.
Lead
edit- In infobox, update the assets parameter to "US$58.2 billion (2022)[1]" and the number of employees to "20,000 (2019)[2]"
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- As of April 2019, Greystar had $32 billion in gross assets under management,[3] and operated in nine countries in 2022.[4]
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- As of 2022, Greystar had $58.2 billion in gross assets under management,[1] and operated in 16 countries.[5]
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- Greystar was the largest apartment management company in the United States in 2021, with over 669,000 units of apartment infrastructure.[6]
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- Consider deleting
- The firm's business model is alleged to be adding to Ireland's housing crisis.[8]
- or at least moving it to the article body. Greystar is mentioned only once in the source, tangentially; I can't imagine this warrants mention in the article lead.
History
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- Greystar acquired the property management arm of Alliance Residential Co. in June 2020,[10] and in October 2020, Greystar acquired 45% of Thackeray Partners.[11] That December, Greystar partnered with Walker & Dunlop and Project Destined to create a paid internship program for students from diverse backgrounds in Durham, North Carolina.[12] Greystar and Project Destined expanded their partnership to students at South Carolina State University in 2022.[13]
- In March 2021, Greystar, along with partners Ivanhoé Cambridge and Bouwinvest, announced a $1.1 billion joint venture to develop and acquire housing for students and young professionals in the greater Paris area[14] and joint venture in multifamily housing in Chile.[15] Greystar acquired the rest of Thackeray Partners in May 2021[16][17] and partnered with the University of South Carolina to create a $210 million campus village.[18] Greystar also announced a partnership with CPP Investment Board to pursue life sciences development with a $74 million office and lab in Somerville, Massachusetts,[19] as well as a joint venture to develop and acquire single-family and multifamily rental communities.[20][21] In November, the company announced an additional $600 million investment in more student housing development, with partnerships with the University of Maryland, College Park and the University of Texas at Austin.[22] In December 2021, Greystar acquired Fizzy Living[23] and began expanding its presence in the industrial sector.[24]
- Add to beginning of last paragraph:
- Update
- In 2022, Greystar operated in nine countries: China, France, Germany, Ireland, Mexico, the Netherlands, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States.[4]
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Notable buildings
editNot sure this section is encyclopedic; maybe consider deleting.
Thank you for any help or feedback! Mary Gaulke (talk) 03:58, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ a b c d Barreto, Susan (8 July 2022). "Greystar raises European residential fund - Alternatives Watch". Alternatives Watch. Retrieved 18 October 2022.
- ^ a b Campbell, Will (31 August 2021). "Greystar buys Vancouver apartment complex the Pointe for $100 million". The Columbian. Retrieved 12 October 2022.
- ^ Fu, Lisa (8 April 2019). "Greystar hires Angelo Gordon exec to oversee new funds platform". Pere (Press release). PEI Media. Retrieved 17 September 2019.
- ^ a b c "Discover Where You Want to Live". Retrieved 9 January 2022. Cite error: The named reference "Discover" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
- ^ Murphy, Roland (15 April 2022). "Greystar to Invest $500M Developing Peoria Place". AZBEX. Retrieved 12 October 2022.
- ^ "NMHC 50 Largest Apartment Managers". Retrieved 9 January 2022.
- ^ "NMHC 50 Largest Apartment Managers". Retrieved 9 January 2022.
- ^ Correspondent, Harry McGee Political. "Investment funds are becoming bigger property players in Dublin suburbs". The Irish Times. Retrieved 2021-08-22.
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has generic name (help) - ^ Parker, Jim. "Nation's largest apartment manager, based in Charleston, keeps Faith in rental industry". Post and Courier. Retrieved 2018-10-21.
- ^ Isaacson, Greg (3 June 2020). "Greystar Acquires Alliance's Property Management Arm". Multifamily Real Estate News. Retrieved 11 October 2022.
- ^ "Greystar Buys Stake in Thackeray Partners". Multifamily Real Estate News. 2020-09-17. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ Asbury, Kyla (28 December 2020). "Partnership leads to internship program for students". Palmetto Business Daily. Retrieved 12 October 2022.
- ^ "SCSU partners with Greystar for virtual internship program". The Times and Democrat. 7 May 2022. Retrieved 27 October 2022.
- ^ Kalinoski, Gail (2020-06-23). "Ivanhoé, Greystar, Bouwinvest Form $1.1B Venture". Multifamily Real Estate News. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ "Greystar and Ivanhoé Cambridge form multifamily JV in Chile". Real Assets. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ "Greystar closes on remaining 55% interest in Thackeray Partners". Institutional Real Estate, Inc. 18 May 2021. Retrieved 11 October 2022.
- ^ Ou, Christie (1 December 2021). "Greystar makes industrial push into new region". PERE. Retrieved 11 October 2022.
- ^ Holdman, Jessica. "USC breaks ground on $210M student housing project — largest in school's history". Post and Courier. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ Shaver, Les (9 July 2021). "CPP Investments and Greystar Form Life Sciences Development JV". GlobeSt. Retrieved 12 October 2022.
- ^ Bergeron, Paul (10 December 2021). "Greystar, CPP Investments Partner on SFR Market". GlobeSt. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ "CPP Investments and Greystar to invest $389m in U.S. multifamily developments". Institutional Real Estate, Inc. 2021-01-07. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ McDermott, John (3 November 2021). "Charleston's Greystar to invest $600M in student housing projects". Post and Courier. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ Lowe, Richard (16 December 2021). "ADIA and Greystar to invest £2.2bn in London housing". IPE Real Assets. Retrieved 11 October 2022.
- ^ Ou, Christie (1 December 2021). "Greystar makes industrial push into new region". PERE. Retrieved 11 October 2022.
- ^ McDermott, John. "SC real estate giant Greystar doubles down on the Continent". Post and Courier. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ "2021 Top Manager List". National Multifamily Housing Council. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ "2021 Top Owners List". National Multifamily Housing Council. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ "2021 Top Developers List". National Multifamily Housing Council. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ "2021 Top Builders". National Multifamily Housing Council. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- ^ Nelson, John (2020-06-02). "Greystar Acquires Property Management Business of Alliance Residential, Including Future Business". REBusinessOnline. Retrieved 2022-06-14.
- Go ahead: I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page. Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 19:53, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you kindly! Mary Gaulke (talk) 16:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
2023 COI edit requests
editThis edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Hello! COI editor for Greystar here with some new requests:
- In the infobox, update
- In the lead, update
- As of 2022, Greystar had $58.2 billion in gross assets under management,[3] and operated in 16 countries.[4]
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- As of 2023, Greystar had over $74 billion in gross assets under management,[5] and operated in 17 countries.[6]
- Also in the lead, update
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- In "History", update
- Greystar has 20,000 employees[1] and 51 offices in the US, Europe, Latin America and Asia-Pacific region.
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- In "History", add after "By July 2022, the Greystar Equity Partners Europe I fund had attracted €1.55 billion ($1.57 billion) and its portfolio included 22 properties in six countries.[3]":
- In 2023, Greystar's new buildings included a 21-story building in Chicago[12] and a mixed-use complex in downtown Austin;[13] it also acquired the London site of the 2012 Summer Olympics for conversion to rental units.[14] In March 2023, the company introduced an affordable housing brand, Ltd. by Greystar,[15] with a guarantee to limit annual rent price increases. Greystar also opened a modular construction factory in Knox, Pennsylvania.[16]
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Thank you for your time and consideration. Mary Gaulke (talk) 14:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- Partly done Everything except the announcement of an "affordable housing brand". Regards, Spintendo 02:32, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Dec. 2023 COI edit request
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Hello! COI editor for Greystar here with one new request. In History, add after "Greystar also opened a modular construction factory in Knox, Pennsylvania.[1]":
- Greystar's modular apartment venture, Modern Living Solutions,[2] broke ground on its first multifamily project, in Coraopolis, Pennsylvania, in August 2023.[3] The company broke ground on Summerwell Sunterra, a build-to-rent community in the Houston area, in June 2023.[4] As of September 2023, Greystar has acquired or developed 12 communities under its Summerwell brand focused on single-family rentals.[5]
References
- ^ Serlin, Christine (23 May 2023). "Greystar Tackles Nation's Attainable Housing Need". MultiFamily Executive. Retrieved 18 August 2023.
- ^ Schooley, Tim (14 August 2023). "Greystar's Modern Living Solutions modular apartment venture starts first project in Coraopolis". Pittsburgh Business Times. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
- ^ Salmonsen, Mary (8 September 2023). "Greystar ramps up modular housing production". Multifamily Dive. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
- ^ Martin, Florian (27 September 2023). "Greystar starts first Houston-area build-to-rent community in Katy". Houston Business Journal. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
- ^ Serlin, Christine (22 September 2023). "Greystar Expands Its Single-Family Build-to-Rent Portfolio". Multifamily Executive. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
Thanks for your time! Mary Gaulke (talk) 01:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
- Clarification needed: Please provide the Wikilinks for the Modern Living Solutions and Summerwell brands. When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the
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. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo 07:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)- Hi again! Revised per your feedback on your talk page; please let me know if you think this makes sense:
- Greystar broke ground on its first modular multifamily project, in Coraopolis, Pennsylvania, in August 2023.[1]
- Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to respectfully disagree with @Spintendo in this case. I largely agree with the skepticism of listing out acquisitions, etc., by a given company, but fail to see how redlinking non-notable entities is necessary. If Greystar were asking to list a bunch of brands they own in this article, sourced to their website, that would indeed be counter to WP:NOTDIRECTORY. In this case, though, the name of the brand is relevant information and is mentioned in the headline of one of the reliable, independent sources cited here, so I think the original wording is completely acceptable. I've added the original proposal but am happy to further discuss. WhinyTheYounger ※ Talk 17:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi again! Revised per your feedback on your talk page; please let me know if you think this makes sense:
References
- ^ Salmonsen, Mary (8 September 2023). "Greystar ramps up modular housing production". Multifamily Dive. Retrieved 18 December 2023.
Requested move 18 February 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Uncontested RM (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 05:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Greystar Real Estate Partners → Greystar – Per WP:NCCORP, Greystar is the most common name used for the company – both in their own comms and in independent media coverage, which tends to use the full name only on the first mention. Please note I have a COI; Greystar is a client of mine. Mary Gaulke (talk) 04:28, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
2024 COI edit requests
editThis edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. |
Hi, COI editor for Greystar here with a few new requests.
- In the lead, update
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- Per the the National Multifamily Housing Council, Greystar is the largest apartment manager in the United States as of the end of 2023, with 798,272 units/beds. It is also the country's largest apartment owner, with 108,566 units.[3]
- Near the end of "History", add before "In April 2024..."
- Greystar added 38,000 units to its management portfolio in February 2024 through a partnership with Wood Partners, a developer and builder. Six hundred Wood Property Management associates also joined Greystar's staff.[4]
- Add to end of "History":
- Greystar partners with Airbnb and flex rental operator Kasa to allows its residents to host their homes as short-term rentals. The company also operates ShortStay by Greystar, its own network of furnished short-term units.[5] In August 2024, the company announced plans to expand into infrastructure development, hiring an executive director of infrastructure.[6]
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Thanks for your time! Mary Gaulke (talk) 21:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: The whole request is pure promo, as usual with this requesting editor. Also, some of the sources cited clearly don't satisfy WP:RS. (Look at the foot of some of the cited articles, where there are links to 'Post a press release' and 'Promote an event'. These sources are just places where companies can post undiluted press releases. Axad12 (talk) 19:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Axad12: Thank you for the additional context on your evaluation of these sources you shared at my talk page. I took a shot at updating with new sources that I think meet the criteria – would love your feedback if you're up for taking a look.
- In the lead, update
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- Near the end of "History", add before "In April 2024..."
- Add to end of "History":
- Greystar partners with Airbnb to allows its residents to host their homes as short-term rentals.[7] In August 2024, the company announced plans to expand into infrastructure development, hiring an executive director of infrastructure.[8]
- @Axad12: Thank you for the additional context on your evaluation of these sources you shared at my talk page. I took a shot at updating with new sources that I think meet the criteria – would love your feedback if you're up for taking a look.
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- Thanks again for your help! Mary Gaulke (talk) 01:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
revised 2024 edit requests
editHi again, COI editor for Greystar here. Per Axad12's feedback on my talk page, I've updated my requests above with new sources.
- In the lead, update
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- Near the end of "History", add before "In April 2024..."
- Add to end of "History":
- Greystar partners with Airbnb to allows its residents to host their homes as short-term rentals.[7] In August 2024, the company announced plans to expand into infrastructure development, hiring an executive director of infrastructure.[8]
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Thanks so much for your time. Mary Gaulke (talk) 19:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not Done. I already turned this down as pure promo above. Locating better sources doesn't resolve the underlying problem. Axad12 (talk) 19:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Closer examination suggests that MHN, GlobeSt and Bisnow also suffer from some of the same issues as previous rejected sources (i.e. amenability to publishing press releases, also articles which appear little more than press releases, also openly advertising that sponsored content will be published). I am concerned that with this request you are once again wasting volunteer time. Clearly this request is a duplicate to a previous declined promotional request, and with sourcing that retains the same issues that were previously observed.
- It is completely unreasonable for you to send in requests of this nature while being paid to do so and to expect unpaid volunteers to point out the problems that you already knew existed. I view this as an exceptionally bad faith act on your part, repeating behaviours that have been raised multiple times in the last few months. Axad12 (talk) 20:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Axad12: I've taken some time to sit with this and find that I'm still sincerely confused by some of this feedback. I understood your objection to be to the sources, so I sought to address that. I'm not sure what makes the content itself promotional – e.g., is the size of the company's operations not encyclopedic? Also, on the objection to publications that publish sponsored content – many reliable publications (e.g. BBC, Bloomberg, Financial Times) publish sponsored content, and while the sponsored content is of course considered unreliable, the entire outlet isn't disqualified. Is the idea that some publications are trusted not to run sponsored content without disclosure, but others are not? If so, are there any specific factors I can look at to gauge that, beyond WP:RSP?
- I gather from your talk page you may be taking a wikibreak, so not sure if you'll be able to answer, in which case I may reach out to WP:3O for feedback. I really want to understand and resolve the underlying issue here if at all possible. Best, Mary Gaulke (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe I've previously made my position on sourcing clear in the thread on your talkpage here [1].
- Your argument in relation to otherwise RS sources occasionally using sponsored content seems to me quite nonsensical when there is clearly a difference between the highly respected sources you mention and the low grade sources you actually use, which exist primarily to allow PR companies to install positive stories or press releases within the media. The idea that the existence of the former means that all sponsored content is per se okay and admissible is ridiculous and typical of the sophistry and general bad faith actions that I've come to expect of you in your relentless campaign to install inappropriate material on Wikipedia and never take no for an answer.
- I do not accept that it is difficult for highly experienced disclosed COI users to differentiate between good and bad sources. Your continual attempts to argue the point (and other similar points elsewhere) are just sealioning designed to waste volunteer time and to wear down resistance.
- If you are able to locate other users who are more amenable to this kind of attempted abuse of Wikipedia then more fool them.
- I've now muted you in my notifications so that I no longer have to put up with any more of this squalid bad faith nonsense, especially while I'm on wikibreak. Axad12 (talk) 06:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)