Talk:Gris

Requested move 26 December 2018

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The result of the move request was: NO CONSENSUS Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:37, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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• Gris (video game) → Gris
• Gris → Gris (disambiguation)

– Everything on the disambiguation page is a partial title match. There is nothing stopping the game from being the primary topic for "Gris". _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:44, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose, yes, the fact it was released a few weeks ago and there is no evidence provided it is the primary topic now. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 19:49, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Gris (video game) is a new article that should have been written right over Gris. The new article is getting almost 2,000 hits per day[1], while the dab page was getting only 14 hits per day before the video game came along[2]. Now the dab page has shot up to 226 hits per day. Virtually everyone searching for "Gris" wants the game[3]. - Station1 (talk) 00:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose, the video game is too new to properly assess PTOPIC via pageviews. Also, at least one of the entries on the disambiguation page is definitely not a PTM (Gamma-Ray Imaging Spectrometer). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:35, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Just for the record, Gamma-Ray Imaging Spectrometer averages 2 hits per day. - Station1 (talk) 01:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

That would be G.R.I.S., not Gris._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:46, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose The disambiguation page was doing poor numbers prior to the game's release, but forgotten video games can do similar numbers. It's too early to tell if the game will retain its popularity. We can reevaluate this later. Reach Out to the Truth 04:07, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose for now, as "gris" is simply Spanish for "grey" and part of the etymology for this game.source The term used similarly to French "noir(e)", which also hosts a disambiguation page. We can check on this again later, and if the game turns out vastly more notable than all other Gris topics, PTOPIC would apply. Lordtobi (✉) 12:10, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

  WP:NOTDICTIONARY. The fact that it's Spanish for grey doesn't mean it shouldn't be primary._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

• Support per Station1. Let's get folks where they clearly want to go. Dohn joe (talk) 16:21, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose' WP:RECENTISM. -- Netoholic @ 20:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

  @Netoholic: Recentism is when you suggest an article be a primary topic over all other topics simply because it's currently popular. I'm not doing that. I'm saying that regardless of how popular it is, it's the only 100% title match for the word "Gris"._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:44, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

• "100% title match" is not the standard employed in WP:Disambiguation. We base decisions upon whether there is more than one subject covered by Wikipedia, either as the main topic of an article, or as a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main topic. So if there is, say, a topic that can be referred by a specific phrase, that phrase may be ambiguous when evaluated against other topics on Wikipedia. In this case, the RECENTISM issue is raised due to the claims about page view popularity being relevant, which can be dismissed when one considers how recent this game has appeared, and that it long-term is very unlikely to rise above all the other uses of the phrase "Gris". -- Netoholic @ 00:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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Source

• https://archive.org/details/edge2017007/page/n41
• https://archive.org/details/edge2017009/page/n89
• https://archive.org/details/edge2017009/page/n59

Requested move 24 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 10:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

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• Gris (video game) → Gris
• Gris → Gris (disambiguation)

– Clear primary topic; the article gets more page views than every other page on the disambiguation page combined, and has sustained page view levels way above the other topics. The high amount of hits for the disambiguation page compared to everything else suggests that people are probably clicking through to this (or Juan Gris, which is a partial title match anyway). Sceptre (talk) 23:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

• Support. There is no other article on WP that could be reasonably titled "Gris". Station1 (talk) 07:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
• The usage-based case in the nomination is plausible, but looking at a slightly longer interval [4], it appears that, excluding a peak early this year, the dab page has received a relatively constant number of hits, both before and after the game article was created. – Uanfala (talk) 12:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
• Support as this topic is the only with a full title match. Lordtobi (✉) 17:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
• Support same reason as my previous attempted move for this above._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 04:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, if there is a primary that can reasonably be titled 'Gris' it is Juan Gris, per long-term significance. This game falls into WP:RECENTISM, per stats provided by Uanfala. And the game doesn't get more views than all other topics combined, as 'Juan Gris' receives 175 views a day. A redirect to 'Juan Gris' per long-term significance would probably be a better use of primary. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:54, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Is there any evidence that Juan Gris is commonly referred to as just "Gris"? Specifically, in contexts where his full name hasn't already been mentioned? If not, I think a primary redirect would be a very bad idea. Colin M (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Not saying that it should be, but that the disamb page serves both names well. At a minimum, if the redirect is moved, a hatnote should probably be placed on the page directing readers to the artist (as occurs at Pollock). Randy Kryn (talk) 19:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Support for roughly the same reason as Station1/Lordtobi. To Station1's point, I will say that someone could write an anthroponymy article on Gris as a name (cf. MOS:DABNAME), but such articles are generally very, very weak candidates for primary topic. I would reconsider my recommendation if any evidence could be found that any of the people listed at Gris are commonly referred to by "Gris" alone (and not just as a shortening of the name in repeated mentions). Colin M (talk) 18:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

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