Talk:Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa

Why king dont know anybody's request.

Regarding Michael Jackson

"He has launched a record label, Two Seas Records, through which Michael Jackson will distribute his next album."

I'm going to remove this from the article because it's wrong. It seems that some people think that the king himself is a fan of Michael Jackson and he's the one who launched Two Seas Records. In fact, it's his son, Abd Allah ibn Hamad. See [1] and [2]. Shaikh Abdullah Ben Hamed Al Khalifa redirects here, but it shouldn't be... ~MK~ (talk) 13:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Awards

According to this article, "On 16 February 1979 he was awarded the Knight of the Order of Saint Michael and Saint George from the United Kingdom." Recipients of this honour are customarily granted the postnominal initials KCMG. I would recommend that if this award is verifiable, the postnominals be included in the article, as well as a link to the Wikipedia article "Order of St Michael and St George," as has been the Wikipedian custom for other recipients of the honour. 12.182.61.2 06:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

ibn or bin?

I would think it's Ibn (son) but im not really sure... (Antonio.sierra 07:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC))

Correct. See Note in Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Arabic)#Names. ibn is preferable to bin unless a "primary transcription" exists. gergis (talk) 09:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Not true, all the Bahraini sources refer him in English with "bin", not "ibn". See for example the Monarchy site of the official Bahrain Embassy website, or the Bahrain News Agency. Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 00:43, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Chanfe link

Under the issue section, the link for Shaikh Abdullah goes to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaikh_Abdullah, which has to be incorrect. The link leads to a page for a fellow in Kashmir and born a good 45 years before King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa.

Requested move 2010

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{{movereq|Hamad ibn Isa Al Khalifa}}

Hamad ibn Isa Al Khalifah → Hamad ibn Isa Al Khalifa — Other living members of the Al Khalifa family (e.g. the crown prince, Salman ibn Hamad ibn Isa Al Khalifa) are listed on Wikipedia as "Al Khalifa" not "Al Khalifah". This is also the case for the article of on the Al Khalifa family. Furthermore, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Arabic) offers -a as well as -ah as the standard transliteration for ة, and surely simplicity is preferable. gergis (talk) 09:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Closed and moved, standard spelling as per https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ba.html billinghurst sDrewth 16:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa

See User_talk:81.103.59.42#Requested_move; there is a request to overwrite the redirect at Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa that redirects to this article. 64.229.100.61 (talk) 05:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

See below - request now moved to correct location. Dpmuk (talk) 11:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Content

Copied from User talk:81.103.59.42 as of relevance to RM below. Dpmuk (talk) 11:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

As previously seen people have tried to change bin to ibn. We see for the Al Khalifa family, and most Bahrainis, the official stance is to use bin we give examples from both the White House Press Office, CIA Fact book as well as the British Foreign & Commonwealth Office.

White House:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/readout-vice-president-biden-s-meeting-with-bahrain-s-crown-prince-salman-bin-hamad

CIA Factbook:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/world-leaders-1/world-leaders-b/bahrain.html

FCO:
http://ukinbahrain.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=News&id=22571857

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:52, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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User:81.103.59.42 → Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa — From: Hamad_ibn_Isa_Al_Khalifa to:Hamad_bin_Isa_Al_Khalifa Reason:Hamad ibn Isa Al Khalifa , should be Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, see the reasons above. The Bahraini royal family have been using bin rather than ibn, and so have any official communications between other nations. relisting as previously on wrong page Dpmuk (talk) 11:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC) --81.103.59.42 (talk) 14:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

This needs to be closed and fixed. Your current request is actually asking for your talk page to be moved to an article title. You need to place the request on the talk page of the article you want moved not here.--76.66.180.54 (talk) 01:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Moved on user's behalf. Dpmuk (talk) 11:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) redirects to Hamad ibn Isa Al Khalifa; and what you have written in no way constitutes an article about "Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa". 64.229.100.61 (talk) 05:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick, the proposal is simply to swap the "i" and the "b" in this page's name. --Pontificalibus (talk) 12:37, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

• Support - Al the official and governmental websites of the Kingdom name him with "bin" not "ibn".Mr. D. E. Mophon (talk) 15:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
• Support per the sources. --Pontificalibus (talk) 12:37, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "bbc231injured":

• From 2011 Bahraini protests: BBC (17 Feb 2011). "Bahrain protests: Police break up Pearl Square crowd". Retrieved 17 Feb 2011.
• From 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests: BBC (17 February 2011). "Bahrain protests: Police break up Pearl Square crowd". BBC News. Retrieved 17 February 2011.

Reference named "guard_downwiththeking":

• From 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests: "Bahrain mourners call for end to monarchy". London: The Guardian/AP. 2011-02-18. Archived from the original on 2011-02-18. Retrieved 2011-02-18. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 2011 Bahraini protests: Staff writer (18 February 2011). "Bahrain Mourners Call for End to Monarchy – Mood of Defiance Against Entire Ruling System After Brutal Attack on Pearl Square Protest Camp That Left at Least Five Dead". Associated Press (via The Guardian). Archived from the original on 18 February 2011. Retrieved 31 March 2011. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help); Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Reference named "aljaz_bahr17Feb":

• From 2011 Bahraini protests: "Clashes Rock Bahraini Capital". Al Jazeera English. February 2011. Archived from the original on 17 February 2011. Retrieved 17 February 2011. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests: "Clashes rock Bahraini capital". Al Jazeera English. 2011-02. Archived from the original on 2011-02-17. Retrieved 2011-02-17. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Reference named "JazeeraBah14Feb":

• From 2011 Bahraini protests: "Clashes mark Bahrain 'Day of Rage'". Al-Jazeera English. 14 February 2011. Retrieved 14 February 2011.
• From 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests: "Clashes mark Bahrain 'Day of Rage'". Al-Jazeera English. 2011-02-14. Retrieved 2011-02-14.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Adding protests in the page.

Why should we attribute protest to his personal life? We can write about the protests taking place in Bahrain article. I could sense some politics in this article. Please clarify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwasif (talk • contribs) 21:43, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to the article's talk page; I'd like to request that you please allow the referenced material to remain in the article, until a consensus can be established here first. Continuing to remove the material without prior discussion, could be viewed by some editors as a form of "edit warring" and sanctions (including blocking) may result. In my opinion, there are bound to be at least some "politics" involved in the content; considering the current political circumstances in country and given that the subject, Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa is being pressured in some quarters to step down from his position as monarch, personally I believe that it would actually be inappropriate if no mention at all was made of these difficulties in this context. These events potentially pose a threat to his reign itself, which of course is directly related to him as the subject of the article. In my opinion, there doesn't presently appear to be an inordinate amount of material devoted to the subject in the article and what is there, appears to be reliably referenced. Do you have any objections to the source of the references themselves? All and all, depending on how things change of course, I don't think there is any present need to dramatically expand the amount of information being devoted to the subject from what is currently available. Anyone who is seeking more information can simply go to the main article dealing with the protests themselves and obtain it there. However, I do believe that a referenced mention of these issues in the article is contextually appropriate at this time. thank you Deconstructhis (talk) 23:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Applegarth College

The article says the King attended Applegarth College in Godalming but there is no such place. I've seen the error repeated in several newspaper articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.49.51 (talk) 12:26, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done No error. Although it has a low net presence (judging from the fact there's an Apple Garth road off Mark way, I'd guess it's been bulldozed and developed), check out Friends Reunited (under "Applegarth") for confirmation. Bromley86 (talk) 20:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Willing to join bahrain airforce(I am Sudanese air force officer(R)

Your/Magesty I am a Sudanese airforce officer retired,I would like to join your great Bahrin airforce,Sir i will send my certs and qualifications you need it.Your obidient Tareg Bedawi Kamil Mohamed.“” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.95.163.195 (talk) 06:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

• Cool story bro. EastArabianWarrior (talk) 11:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Views on Israel?

Is that really relevant here? True or not, that looks suspiciously like a smear to me. Bromley86 (talk) 20:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

While in my opinion it's at least "shameful" for an Arab leader to have hidden ties with Israel; I find it relevant to the article and fine to keep as long as it referenced and actually match the content in the source. There is a good number of biography articles which have "Views on Israel" section. WP:BLP should be helpful. Mohamed CJ ^(talk) 09:49, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

That might be the general view in the Arab world. The general Western perspective might be that, regarding Israel, he was an open-minded peacemaker who has to deal with a heavily prejudiced population. Intel links to counter an unspecified threat (assume al-Qaeda), a willingness to advance the peace process and greater links with Israel (subject to the creation of a Palestinian state) are, in my opinion, far from shameful. That this section has been included based on one single leaked private diplomatic conversation (one, it must be said, where he had a motive to play to the audience) leaked to one single news organisation and not because Israel has been a core, defining part of his life is, IMO, entirely for political reasons.

Compare similar figures, where it hasn't been included (rightly so, as it's not a defining part of who they are):

Hamad_bin_Khalifa_Al_Thani, Sabah_Al-Ahmad_Al-Jaber_Al-Sabah, Abdullah_of_Saudi_Arabia

vs. where it is included, because it is an important part of who or what they are:

Alan_Dershowitz "While Dershowitz is an outspoken supporter of Israel, Dershowitz self-identifies as "Pro-Israel and Pro-Palestine""

Hassan Nasrallah " 'There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel' "

Jeane_Kirkpatrick "She was a staunch supporter of the State of Israel"

So I'm removing this section, pending justification. For the record, I myself can see no justification for re-including it. Bromley86 (talk) 11:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:BLP is clear about inserting such info. It has to be referenced from a reliable source (the higher quality the better), wither it's positive (the western view) or negative (the Arab view). And just a reminder, you don't do actions when there is no consensus "In discussions of textual additions or editorial alterations, a lack of consensus results in no change in the article." i.e. I'm reverting your edit, till consensus is achieved. Mohamed CJ ^(talk) 13:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

We actually seem to be following the process correctly so far. Edit made and justified followed by reversion and discussion. What is your response to my assertion that this is not of sufficient import to be included on this page (as opposed, for example, to a page on Bahraini politics/international relations or Israeli relations with the Arab world)? You'll have noted from the links above that it's not a topic that has made it onto the bios of other similar leaders, despite cases of similar levels of interaction between their states and Israel (i.e. Foreign_relations_of_Qatar#Israel).

As you perhaps know I'm pretty new to the editing side of Wikipedia, so this is my first real dispute. I've been making the case as I see it for neutral "common sense", but as "common sense" is perhaps a matter of perspective I'll read through the WP:BLP, WP:CON and WP:NPOV later to see what the Wikipedia processes are. Bromley86 (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

See, now you got me to agree with you when you mentioned the Foreign relations article. I didn't revert directly, because content was actually copyrighted (copy-paste style). I had to re-write it again, but didn't have time to. Now I guess there is consensus to move that info to Bahrain–Israel relations article after rewriting it. Remember, it's important not to make such changes before consensus is achieved, especially since you brought it to discussion and had an opposing opinion. I'd wait for a few days if no one replies. There are cases where discussion is not needed (e.g. copyright violations, controversial unsourced material.. etc). I recommend checking the whole article for any copyrighted material using duplication detector. If this info was found by an admin, they could have closed the whole article and requested full rewrite from scratch. Mohamed CJ ^(talk) 20:31, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Understood, thanks. Bromley86 (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Removal of "unsourced" content

Today, EastArabianWarrior removed content because s/he though it was "personal attack on shias + out of citation". I find the material balanced and while it had no citation in this article, the same material is sourced in other article. For example: Day of Rage (Bahrain)#2010 crackdown and Bahrain#Politics. Besides there was one source [3]. I recommend inserting the content with minor changes. For the record, this material and much of the "Reign" section were expanded by an IP address who didn't add any citations, but to me it was reasonable and balanced. Mohamed CJ (talk) 14:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

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