Talk:Hannibal

Cannae

Considering the military achievements of Trebia,Lake Trasimene and Canaae. I think their should be some description of the actual battles.

Patronym

I'm not saying Wandalstouring or Ameling were lying, but it's uncommon enough to see the guy called "Hannibal Barca" instead of "Hannibal". Absolutely nothing at Google Books, the Internet Archive, &c. back him up that this guy was commonly called "Hannibal Barca son of Hamilcar Barca". It's more likely that what was intended was "Hannibal son of Hamilcar". That's common enough that we don't have to remove it as but I still don't see it treated as a real patronym or see any Carthaginian sources for its use. It'd be good if someone could check the source to see if it's being misrepresented or has any further sources for this idea.

If it's not just hogwash, we also need the Punic form of the name. I assume it would be something close to TRQLMḤ NB LʻBNḤ but that's based on Hebrew and there might have been some other way to say it in Punic. — LlywelynII 05:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Barca was and still is a town on the northwestern coast of Libya. Could the name Hamilcar Barca have been assumed by Ugarit-speakers to have meant Hamilcar from Barca? Charlesyanni (talk) 01:30, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Was his name Hannibal or Hannibal Barca?

There's a section called "Name" that explains, at some length, that the subject of the article is named "Hannibal" or "Hannibal, son of Hamilcar", or Hannibal the Barcid, but not Hannibal Barca. So why do we keep calling him "Hannibal Barca"?

I've never seen him called "Hannibal Barca" anyplace but Wikipedia. It seems to me that Wikipedia is renaming the guy. Why?

I think the article should be modified to stop with the new name, and the link Hannibal Barca should be marked "From a misspelling". Before I do any of this, I'd like to give the folks who prefer the new name a chance to explain their reason for the change. TypoBoy (talk) 03:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Read more ancient history books - you'll find the name, eventually. 104.169.24.168 (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Aside from this claim, with no citation, from an anonymous IP editor, nobody has argued that Hannibal's name was actually "Hannibal Barca", and the Name section of the article continues to assert that Hannibal's name was Hannibal, not Hannibal Barca. Nevertheless, the article has been modified to claim, with no citation, that his name was Hannibal Barca. I'm changing it back, and saying again that we should either cite a source for the name "Hannibal Barca" or else not publicize it. Wikipedia is not the place for renaming major historical figures TypoBoy (talk) 14:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I don’t understand how his name isn’t Hannibal Barca when his dad is Hamilcar Barca. Surely he would’ve had a surname? 2A02:C7C:C0B2:2000:65E0:8825:8EB4:D890 (talk) 08:25, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

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The name Hannibal translated as The Son of Ba'al?

Since "ha" in Ugaritic was "the" and "N" was "son (of)" could it be possible that the name Ha-N-Ba'al could be translated as The Son of Ba'al!? In the Bronze Age, "ben" was "the son of" in Ugaritic just like in Hebrew, but by the Iron Age Canaanite scribes shortened ben to just N for brevity's sake because they were recording more transactions. Charlesyanni (talk) 01:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Citation needed in several places

I'm not part of the community editing this article, so I won't start poking around in the article. But it seems there are a number of places where the article would be improved by citing a source. Pete unseth (talk) 23:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

New section for battle record

Okay, bit of backstory here. Way back on 23 June 2017, 6 years ago now, I removed Tempalate:Infobox politician from this article, and replaced it with Template:Infobox military person. It seemed an appropriate edit - Hannibal is primarily known for being a military commander, with his political office as Suffet in 192, a decade after the end of the Second Punic War, being more of a historical footnote. With my limited historical knowledge at the time, I filled in the "battles" field with two conflicts - the Second Punic War and the Roman-Seleucid War. At the time I was unaware of his leadership in the Barcid conquest of Hispania or the even more obscure Pergamene–Bithynian War.

Fast forward half a year to 30 January 2018, and User:TiltuM adds an impressive and exhaustive list of every battle Hannibal commanded, including obscure battles in the Barcid conquest of Hispania and the Pergamene–Bithynian War. I found it an impressive effort.

This list would be the status quo for years, until 13 July 2020, when User:Avilich removed the list of battles and reduced it to wars, presumably because it cluttered up the infobox too much. Although I was disappointed to see the list disappear, I understood why it was trimmed. However, I still felt a select few battles were still notable enough to warrant inclusion in the infobox, so I added a handful back on 27 August 2020.

Fast forward another 2 years, and on 27 October 2022, User:YarmoukQadisiyah re-adds over a dozen battles, seemingly by scouring Wikipedia. This list seems to be the worst of both worlds - it both clutters up the infobox, and lacks the exhaustiveness of TiltuM's original list. However, I wasn't sure how to deal with it at first.

However, I believe I have a found a good solution today, when I stumbled upon a "Battle Record" section on Alexander the Great's article. So, based on TiltuM's original list from 2018, I have added a "Battle Record" section to Hannibal's article. This will allow us to have an exhaustive list of battles while not cluttering the infobox, though I do want to note that:

• I didn't research the battle record myself, that credit belongs to TiltuM
• It would be appreciated if the outcome of each battle were noted in the battle record - whether it was a victory, defeat or stalemate for Hannibal. However, I will leave this for future editors to research.

Koopinator (talk) 15:04, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Hannibal is a “African”

Hannibal is a descendent of Ham a “African” 2600:8806:901B:3400:892:5B9E:6EC9:CB12 (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hannibal Proof of Birthplace - Malta or Carthage?

It is an oral tradition in my (Maltese) family that Hannibal was born in Malta. There are news articles and Reddit posts speaking about it.

The source given for Carthage to be Hannibal's birthplace is a recently written biography, not an academic source.

I don't know how to do this myself, but can I dispute the idea that Hannibal was born in Carthage? At least in the Wikipedia article, there is no concrete evidence saying that he is born there, but this article presents it as if it is simply the truth. Socracle (talk) 23:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

I found the original source for the claim - "The Literary Panorama, Volume 10" by Charles Taylor, on page 615. I've edited the article to show this. Socracle (talk) 00:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)