Talk:Haskelite Building

Requested move 15 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. On both concision and common-name grounds. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

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Haskell Manufacturing Company Building → Haskelite Building – Whilst the building was added to the NHRP as the Haskell Manufacturing Company Building, it is also known as the Haskelite Building which would be a shorter name Gusfriend (talk) 23:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Oppose The building was added to the NHRP as the Haskell Manufacturing Company Building which is probably the best location for the article.Gusfriend (talk) 23:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Support The building is located in the city of Ludington, Michigan. It is known by the people of Ludington as the Haskelite Building and has gone by that name by the locals for most of it existence. The building has had ten different names depending on the purpose of the building at the time. It was originally known as the Mendelson building since they were the first users of the building. The way the article is written now is not correct according to references. It is now written that the Haskell Manufacturing Company and subsidiaries moved into the building in 1911. That is not correct. The reason it is known to the local Ludington people as the Haskelite Building is because of a type of plywood called Haskelite made in the building and was a major employer for the manufacture of the product for many years. Just because the NHRP listed it as the Haskell Manufacturing Company Building it is not commonly known by that name by the local people of Ludington. It has been commonly known as the Haskelite Building by the local people of Ludington no matter who used it in its various parts of its 130 year history. The name Haskell Manufacturing Company Building represents only about 20 years of the buildings existence and gives a wrong impression that the building was known most of it time by that name. The building has been known by the local people of Ludington and the state of Michigan by the name of the Haskelite Building for over a hundred years. The building was occupied by the Wolverine Sportswear Company for 45 years - more that twice as long as the Haskell Manufacturing Company. At that time it was known as the Wolverine building as the occupant of the old Haskelite Building. Even before the Haskell Manufacturing Company occupied the building the building was known as the Haskelite Building since the Haskelite plywood was being made there and then already was a major employer for the Ludington people to make the Haskelite product. So it would be better to call the building the Haskelite Building since that is what it has been recognized as for 111 years out of the 130 years of its existence. The building was first known as the Mendelson building from 1892 to 1894. It then was known as the Tubbs building from 1894 to 1911. Since that time to the present the building has been known as the old Haskelite Building. This name gives the best representation of what the building has most of its history been known as. That's why I think the name of the article should be called "Haskelite Building", since that gives the best history representation. The building was occupied by more than twice as long by the Wolverine company as by the Haskell Manufacturing Company, but is not known by the local Ludington people as the Wolverine building - but as the old Haskelite Building. I know this because I live a half mile from the building and know what the local Ludington people call the building. The state of Michigan housing authority that subsidizes the current apartments in the building gives it the name as the Mendelson building, however Mendelson only occupied the building for 2 years (1892-1894). The building has been known by 10 different names through its history, however 85% of the time has been known as the Haskelite Building. I propose to give the name of the article "Haskelite Building" and then give a brief history of the various names the building has been called in its existence.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

The proportion of time that the building has been known by each name is something that would definitely be a useful addition to the page. For the article name though we need to go of what the (modern) WP:RS call it and be willing to change it as how it is referred to if that changes over time. For example, if the housing authority calls it the Mendelson building then, over time, that may become what it is know as and the Wikipedia page may end up in that location with this and any other pages a redirect.

From the 21st Century sources for the article the National Park references call it the Haskell Manufacturing Company Building as does the community development group ([1]). The reference [2] says Wolverine Building, as it’s been known.

I am happy to change my !vote above to support if there are sufficient modern references in the article to support a different name for the building.Gusfriend (talk) 11:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

• History of the Haskelite Building --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
• Brick wall at Haskelite Factory, Ludington Michigan. In 2011 this local Ludington resident Flicker picture taker called the Haskelite Factory the old Haskelite building.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:14, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
• Ludington Daily News 1953 clip
• Wood Working Digest, Volume 60, 1958 (page 61) --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
• This 1993 Ludington Daily News newspaper article says, "...it is still generally referred to by older residents as the Haskelite building." The author is a well known Ludington historian that has been writing newspaper articles and history books about the Ludington area for decades.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
• This 2016 Ludington Daily News newspaper article by a well known local historian says, This building is still referred to as the Haskelite Building in honor of one of its former occupants. The article gives a history for the building.--14:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
• This 16 February 1913 journal article talks about making a molded one piece canoe from the Haskelite plywood being manufactured at 801 N. Rowe Street in Ludington, Michigan. It shows a picture of the building. The building then was known as the Haskelite Building because it was producing Haskelite plywood for airplane body parts and canoes. The Haskell Manufacturing Company didn't exist yet and was formed later in 1916.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:26, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
• It was ONLY the Carrom Company that moved into 801 N. Rowe Street in 1911. Haskell invented the waterproof glue in 1913 and developed Haskelite plywood. The plywood was manufactured on a pretty large scale as Carrom was the largest producer of plywood for airplane body parts in 1915. The building then was already known as the Haskelite Building as they were a big producer of Haskelite plywood. These wooden airplanes were used in World War I by the United States, France, and England. THEN in 1916 Haskell established Haskell Manufacturing Company in the building - nobody moved in or out of the building. Haskell was ALREADY in the building producing Haskelite plywood under the Carrom Company. Since the Haskelite plywood was already being produced in the building by the Carrom Company the building became known as the Haskelite Building. Carrom has its unique history before this, so the Carrom Company and the Haskelite Building were known as two different items.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

• Support. That the building was and still is widely referred to as the Haskelite Building, and that there are sources, new and old, that refer to it as such, the proposed changed name seems the most appropriate, esp since the Haskellite Mfg. Co. no longer exists. Referring to this building by one past company name is not near as appropriate as the widely known general name. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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