Talk:Armed helicopter

Lebanese Development

Seeing as helo bombing has been used in combat by the United States, Soviet Union, El Salvador, Sudan, and I'm sure others, I think its a bit unfair to call this a Lebanese development. In fact, El Salvador used this exact combination during the fighting against the FLN in the 1980s. -- Thatguy96 23:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

then source and add --TheFEARgod (Ч) 23:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure the Mil Mi24 was rated for free fall bombs, though I don't know if this was ever used in combat, and I think there was special kind of barrel bomb that is designed to be rolled down the cargo bay ramp of Chinook helicopters.KTo288 00:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, the soviets use Mi-24 for bombing attacks, as you can see in its page in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-24 and in this site http://www.vectorsite.net/avhind_1.html Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.16.153.69 (talk) 08:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Did Lebanese Gazelles bomb the Islamists?

When I read the 2007 Lebanon Conflict article it stated that "...Gazelle attack helicopters bombed the Islamists positions and bunkers." I don't see any reference to Lebanese Gazelles being equipped with bombs, only UH-1Hs. What's true? Where Gazelles used to bomb Fatah al-Islam or were they simply used in a more traditional rocket/machine gun strike role? Manxruler 06:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I think they used some rockets for them. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Korea and Algeria

The first widespread use of the helicopter was during the Korean War and the armed helicopter matured during the French conflict in Algeria. It would probably be useful to start with Korea and Algeria rather than Vietnam. Just more or less an introduction to the theory of a armed combat helicopter. Idsnowdog 17:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

This article is specifically about using helicopters to drop bombs, not the arming of helicopters in general. Most of that is already covered (or should be) at Attack helicopters. In fact, it might even be best to make this page a section of that article. - BillCJ 18:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

After having looked at the Attack Helicopter article, I think merging this in should be greatly considered. The attack helicopter article itself seems to require cleanup and expansion as well, and should really deal with the idea of the "armed" helicopter. -- Thatguy96 19:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Good points. We might move this page to Armed helicopter, and expand it to cover all the history, and limit Attack helicopter to specifically those designed for the role from the AH-1 onwards. The attack helicopter is specific type of helicopter, while any helicopter can be armed, and they often are. We can include anti-submarine types in the "armed" article as well. There are definitely several ways we can go with this, and they are worth discussing with more people, possibly at WP:AIR. - BillCJ 22:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, started dicussion at WP:AIR about it here. -- Thatguy96 19:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Glad to know about WP:AIR, as I have some other material to offer. In the current version of this article, there needs to be a transitional second sentence that explains how attack helicopters are a subset of armed helicopters. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 19:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to work on adding that if you want to, as I have something else I need to do for the next few hours. The {{inuse}} tag is for asking others not to contribuite, while {{under construction}} alows aothers to participat. UC is mainly to let people now the article is currenttly a "mess", but not intended to stay that way. - BillCJ (talk) 19:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Not attack helicopters

Does anybody question that some variants of the Bell UH-1 Iroquois are gunships while the Bell AH-1 Cobra is an attack helicopter? Is there some confusion here? Hcobb (talk) 18:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

According to the definition in Janes Aerospace Dictionary the AH-1 is a gunship but they both could be attack helicopters. MilborneOne (talk) 18:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

From Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (1996):

gun•ship \ˈgən-ˌship\ noun (1966) : a helicopter or cargo aircraft armed with rockets and machine guns.

That seems to be the basic definition with includes the armed UH-1B/Cs, and hte AH-1G, which didn't generally carry guided missiles. I've both versions called "gunships" in many reliable sources, and the AH-1 has also been called an "attack helicopter" in many reliable sources. There does appear to be overlap in the definitions, especiually with the AH-1. As to "Armed helicopter", I've never seen a specific definition in a reliable sourece for that, so by the meaing of its component words, it's just any helicopter that is armed. We'd need a reliable source for any other definition, especially one that excludes "attack helicopters", which are usually "armed" also. - BilCat (talk) 21:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Gunship seems to be an older term more akin to armed helicopter. But most aviation books simply use the term, not define it. ;) -fnlayson (talk) 00:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

  The AH-1G Cobra was specifically designed as an armed helicopter, hence the attack designation. I believe this article was created to address aircraft that have been modified to the armed role. That is simply a common sense distinction made by this article to prevent duplication of the attack helicopter article. In that respect, as noted by the other editors, there is no official distinction between armed and attack in reference to helicopters which are purposely designed to be armed in a ground attack or anti-tank role (AH-1, AH-64, Mi-24, Mi-28, etc.). Both purpose-built attack helicopters and modified armed helicopters are often referred to as gunships, and I doubt that "gunship" will ever be authoritatively restricted to either type of helicopter. Helis.com does try to make that distinction on its "Gunships" page,[1] but I would not consider the page authoritative on that subject. --Born2flie (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Born, that's good summary of the issues here. As a counter, one could say that, very loosely, any helicopter with armament is "armed", purpose-designed or not. But even so, an "attack" helicopter is one that is purposely designed for the role, and that as such it deserves coverage in its own article. Logically then, "Armed helicopter" would cover all the other types, with a mention of what an attack helicopter is. Either way, a distiction can be made between the two for our purposes. And either type can and has been called a gunship. - BilCat (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I would like to confirm the general conclusion here. The origin and definition(s) of term gunship is included in the article Gunship. There are sources, esp. early sources, that refer to AH-1 as a gunship[2] (or a "helicopter gunship"[3]). Same goes for AH-56. Both are more frequently called "attack helicopters" [4]).

For the "armed helicopter", the US military definition that I've found is quite simple "armed helicopter— (DOD, NATO) A helicopter fitted with weapons or weapon systems". --Kubanczyk (talk) 12:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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The Soviet Afghan war

Didn't Soviet Hinds play a major role during the Soviet Afghan War untill the US supplied Sidewinders to the Islamists? SlOrbA (talk) 20:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

More defining image

I believe that a helicopter of the Rudra's type is more definitive of "a helicopter armed with weapons", as opposed to the Apache which is more definitive as a dedicated attack helicopter design and as such already is the thumbnail image for the "Attack helicopter" page. 2603:8001:5B01:32A7:510B:1B8A:DFD4:98CA (talk) 18:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)