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Unreliable ref
edit@MicroPowerpoint: Hey man, just wanted to give you a heads up that the ref you've used for the infobox genre, EDM Tunes, is a self-published blog, thus it's an unreliable reference and should be treated as such. Do you have any other sources to verify the new beat genre? aNode (discuss) 10:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think it is a unreliable source, because as you said, self-published blogs are like tumblr or reddit posts or whatever, however it is evident that EDMTunes has a team of writers and do hire writers as seen in these links:
- And these links are all by different writers:
- https://www.edmtunes.com/2018/07/new-us-senate-proposal-targets-streaming-services-for-emergency-alerts/ - Andrew Christopher
- https://www.edmtunes.com/2018/07/madison-square-garden-will-build-futuristic-sphere-venue-in-las-vegas/ - Austin Rasmussen
- https://www.edmtunes.com/2018/07/a-preview-of-apples-next-iphone-usb-c-fast-charger-has-been-leaked/ - Brittany Provost
- https://www.edmtunes.com/2018/07/spotify-lite-testing/ - Charlie Vargas
- https://www.edmtunes.com/2018/07/crankdat-say-it/ - Jackie Peppler
- https://www.edmtunes.com/2018/07/enrique-inglesias-pitbull-move-to-miami-nitti-gritti-remix/ - Rachel Pratley
- https://www.edmtunes.com/2018/07/prewrite-deorro-x-makj-x-quintino-knockout/ - Louis Ghanem
- Because of such, i'm pretty sure that EDMTunes can be used as a reliable source, though it should be replaced with a better source like Billboard or Dancing Astronaut if able. I have a list of websites that can be used as a reliable source here. Micro (Talk) 10:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Well, those people do seem more like music enthusiasts who lack musical professional journalism credentials (Billboard and Dancing Astro has no issue with these), and are paid just for writing posts in the blog. I got some insight about this from Ss112 a while back over here. But if there's proof that a writer is a professionally journalist, there should be no problem. aNode (discuss) 10:43, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not too sure how to prove that an editor is an actually a professional journalist, but from what I can see from the internship writer application, the requirements does state this:
EDMTunes is currently seeking a handful of talented and reasonably experienced writers who not only have a passion for dance music, but are also very knowledgeable about a plethora of its facets and intricacies. As a member of our team, you will get a chance to write on a variety of topics in the dance music scene, such as the latest news from around the industry, new track previews and releases, event previews and reviews, album commentary, editorials, artist interviews, and more. Due large demand for these few writing positions we have open, it is imperative our writers are well versed in the dance community. Considering this, the ideal candidate would have the following skills and attributes:
- Well, those people do seem more like music enthusiasts who lack musical professional journalism credentials (Billboard and Dancing Astro has no issue with these), and are paid just for writing posts in the blog. I got some insight about this from Ss112 a while back over here. But if there's proof that a writer is a professionally journalist, there should be no problem. aNode (discuss) 10:43, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
-College-level writing proficiency, free of basic grammatical error
-Sound knowledge of current and emerging genres
-A basic understanding of industry current events
-Fresh outlook on the scene and fresh ideas for content
-Flexibility and availability via Facebook
-Desire to learn
- So they aren't just some random year 9 that emailed EDMTunes a 4 sentence piece about Axwell posting on instagram that mentions Steve Angello and using this as proof for the return of Swedish House Mafia for the 700th time. Micro (Talk) 11:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Well if an editor has a well covered online profile which undoubtedly states that he's a professional, I guess that's sufficient proof. I only see listed requirements to write for EDMTunes above, which isn't really sufficient, since we don't exactly know how strict is the vetting process for the blog. Regardless, pinging @Hayman30: for his opinion on this site, if he's free to answer!
- What do you mean by 'well covered online profile', do you mean his social media, Linkedin, or something? Micro (Talk) 12:01, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yeahhh, something like that, or maybe a Muckrack page would work out. Like for this Washington Post review on an album, the author Allison Stewart has a Muckrack page here which covers on her career. Kat Bein from Billboard too has a Linkedin page here. Either may be good enough, if the details for the EDMTunes writer suffice. But until the proof that he's a professional journalist arrives, the ref will be accounted as unreliable and should be removed. aNode (discuss) 13:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Got it. Muckrack won’t let me search for some reason, so here’s a bunch of results from here:
- There were alot of pages that came up, but these ones looked best. LinkedIn also shows a bunch of stuff, I originally linked that above. Micro (Talk) 14:04, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, I guess this suffices. The writers def have experience with larger newspaper publications especially the ones in the business sector, but I'm still not sure if their articles on music journalism have validation. Regardless, thanks for your time! aNode (discuss) 03:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yea, so in short you can use EDMTunes, but if there is a better publication such as Your EDM, EDM Sauce, Dancing Astronaut or Billboard that covers the same subject, you should use those instead. Micro (Talk) 05:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Everything you listed is reliable, except for EDM Sauce. The authors there are definitely unprofessional and are just blog writers. aNode (discuss) 05:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- That's pretty surprising to hear, because i'm pretty sure that EDM Sauce is all good, they have a CEO and Founder (this guy) and an editor-in-chief (this guy), and a bunch of of editors that can be found on Muck Rack like (this guy), (this person) and (this one). This basically proves that EDM Sauce can also be used as a reference as it isn't just a blog and has some sort of editorial oversight or staff. A bunch of other staff can be found (here). Micro (Talk) 08:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Everything you listed is reliable, except for EDM Sauce. The authors there are definitely unprofessional and are just blog writers. aNode (discuss) 05:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yea, so in short you can use EDMTunes, but if there is a better publication such as Your EDM, EDM Sauce, Dancing Astronaut or Billboard that covers the same subject, you should use those instead. Micro (Talk) 05:37, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, I guess this suffices. The writers def have experience with larger newspaper publications especially the ones in the business sector, but I'm still not sure if their articles on music journalism have validation. Regardless, thanks for your time! aNode (discuss) 03:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yeahhh, something like that, or maybe a Muckrack page would work out. Like for this Washington Post review on an album, the author Allison Stewart has a Muckrack page here which covers on her career. Kat Bein from Billboard too has a Linkedin page here. Either may be good enough, if the details for the EDMTunes writer suffice. But until the proof that he's a professional journalist arrives, the ref will be accounted as unreliable and should be removed. aNode (discuss) 13:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- What do you mean by 'well covered online profile', do you mean his social media, Linkedin, or something? Micro (Talk) 12:01, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Well if an editor has a well covered online profile which undoubtedly states that he's a professional, I guess that's sufficient proof. I only see listed requirements to write for EDMTunes above, which isn't really sufficient, since we don't exactly know how strict is the vetting process for the blog. Regardless, pinging @Hayman30: for his opinion on this site, if he's free to answer!
- So they aren't just some random year 9 that emailed EDMTunes a 4 sentence piece about Axwell posting on instagram that mentions Steve Angello and using this as proof for the return of Swedish House Mafia for the 700th time. Micro (Talk) 11:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)