Talk:Hexen: Beyond Heretic/Archive 1

Archive 1

On my removal of CD track and midi info

A recent addition the names of the music files used in the game brought home to me the fact that the list of what CD tracks were used in what maps was never really encyclopedic or important in the first place. Same goes for the music files.--Drat (Talk) 14:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Major cleanup

I did a major cleanup on this article, mostly organizing the player classes and inserted a new section on polyobjects and ACS scripts. I've made levels with scripts, so I'm pretty sure that's fine, but could someone check on the technical part of the polyobjects? I'm not exactly the expert on BSP and I can't really understand all the source code... Well I also removed the last section - "Bosses." It pretty much covered the stuff in List of enemies in HeXen, but I changed some stuff there, and put a link there from here. I'll probably add more about the story later, and I also need to redo the references/footnotes (I was lazy, sorry). Eh, I'll get to it later I hope. Horncomposer 10:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Level Info

Personally i'd like to propose to remove the level info from the article -- it adds nothing. If we had something interesting to say about the levels we could move it to a seperate article or wikibooks, but this list, in my opinion, adds nothing to the article -- De Zeurkous (zeurkous@mariblaat.nichten.info), Wed Jul 12 16:57:17 UTC 2006

I agree. A mere list of levels adds no pratical value to an encyclopedia article. I think the most that should be said could be an overview of each hub and how it relates to the "story," but even this may be too much. I'll hold off on editing that section for now though, to see what others may have to say. --Horncomposer 22:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Renamed

Hi. I've renamed this and every other article I could find to change "HeXen" to "Hexen". The former seems to be an attempt at using capitalisation to emulate the appearance of the logo, but the name itself is Hexen. This is similar to people who use "DooM" when refering to Doom. There's some more relevant information to this on Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks). Fragglet 11:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Raven Software consistently uses "HeXen on their site and this would seem to fall under the camelcase judgement call. I think "HeXen" was correct. Ace of Sevens 03:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The CamelCase argument refers to when two words are combined into a single one to form a trademark. This isn't the case with Hexen, which is a german word meaning "to practice sorcery". Fragglet 09:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why the principle wouldn't apply here. The policy seems mainly to oppose all-caps except in the case of acronyms and the like. See eXistenZ for another Wikipedia example of unusual captalizations being accepted. Ace of Sevens 13:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Hexenbox.jpg

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Trivia Section

Hi, I was the IP who removed the trivia section earlier, but the edit was soon reverted. I honestly don't see how any of these trivia facts can fit inside any context within the article. I don't see how the incomplete level is of importance, the Doom contest is irrelevant, and the MOD is just plain cruft, I think. --FireV 20:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Original title

This page seems to indicate that the game was originally announced as "Heretic ][", but I guess you'd need a scan of the original PC Gamer article to prove it. --68.44.13.236 18:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I added more details and tactical notes to the characters section

If you think this is bad or want to revert it, please tell me why here and let's discuss it before you do so.--Zaorish 20:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Source Ports

Are we allowed to include source ports? If so I can include a list here for submission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewwan1980 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Release Date

Based on various sources, the first release date for Hexen is either september 30, 1995, or october 30, 1995. I fixed the date that was clearly wrong, and now the article has both of the aforementioned dates. I'm going to leave it this way until this question can be resolved. Bigdan201 (talk) 00:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

"Beyond Heretic"

This phrase seems to be more of a box tagline, alluding to Raven's previous game, than a part of the actual title. The full tagline on the back of the box is "Beyond Evil. Beyond Hope. Beyond Heretic." The phrase does not appear in any other capacity -- it is not inscribed on the CD or floppy disk media, it is not used on the game's title screen, and it is not part of the game's trademark. I do not think it should be treated as part of the game's canonical title, but has been included as such merely because it is scrawled on the side of the box cover. Comments? Ham Pastrami (talk) 22:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

About the title

Raven are a bunch of clowns. id always used "Hexen" on packaging and the various install programs/readmes/such and such. Most likely some port used "HeXen" and Raven picked up on that. Despatche (talk) 04:00, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

meaning of "HeXen"

there are three possibilities

1st

german for 'Witches' (Hexen; s. Hexe)

like in the article but I think it is wrong, because there are no witches in the game!

2nd

german for the verb what witches do, to hex -> hexen

possible, but why did the game designer use a german title? (wolfenstein played in germany - another thing)

3rd

Art!

There must be a sequel to Heretic...So "He......"

"Hexed" would be nice, but boring! There are some verb forms in perfect form with "...-en" (like beaten); so this is a new creation of a verbform.

Not "hexed" -> "hexen". Thats a usual thing for finding Names for films, books or games!

You can change your grammar like a small child or a foreigner, who will learn the language and make some mistakes. AND you can create a new word.

The way of an art is showen in the title logo with the big X.

On the other side you must ask the game designer. "to hex" isn't old english ;) it's german:

[Pennsylvania Dutch, from German hexen, to hex, from Hexe, witch, from Middle High German hecse, from Old High German hagzissa.]

so it's possible that that is 1st or 2nd ,too! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.222.115.100 (talk) 14:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The first is true, they called it "HeXen" because

1. It sounds really cool.

2. It begins with an "H", like Heretic, it's prequel.

3. It's easily recognizable

50.195.51.9 (talk) 14:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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