Talk:M142 HIMARS

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It appears as if this article was copied and pasted from somewhere else... whats up with this? DoomBringer 06:39, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There's this page here, [1]. It looks like a press release, which is open to some attributed use, but it might be reporting, which is not. Either way, it should be cut down to an honest stub with a link to the external site. -Willmcw July 9, 2005 08:44 (UTC)

I found a stub in the history before this last cut-and-paste and reverted to that. -Willmcw July 9, 2005 08:46 (UTC)

HIMARS and the USMC

Just FYI >

There are two applications of the HIMARS at this time. The first is obviously the schoolhouse where one half of the USMC HIMARs are located and the other half are with F Battery, 2nd Bn, 14th Marine Regiment currently deployed to CENTCOM. (I was there, push button go whoosh, nothing impressive in my opinion)

Cheers Rob110178 20:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

light?

It has tubes for 6x 227mm rockets, or this rocket pod can be replaced by ATACMS missile pod, which one could liken to a "scud" missile, range, and warhead are similar, and accuracy far better, so i really wouldnt call this one "a light", lighter than MLRS or tracked chasis, yes, but light as a weapons in calibre or firepower/accuracy, certainly not. More like HEAVY or SUPER-HEAVY, depending what being launched.

Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.154.195.225 (talk) 13:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

180 km/h???

Never. This road speed would equal over 112 mph. Maybe 80 km/h?--Cancun771 (talk) 01:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

nomenclature?

if this is supposed to replace the M270, why is it an M142? why the low number? is M142 a rocket number? Brian in denver (talk) 20:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The M270MLRS is a tracked vehicle using a chassis based on the M2 Bradley; the M142 is a wheeled vehicle using a 5-ton truck chassis. This puts the M142 in a different designation type and number series.74.212.3.41 (talk) 19:43, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

• well that comes a little closer to answering the question. of course the real question is whats a M141, M140, M139, M138 M137,You get the idea. are thay all X nominclatures of the Bradley Brian in denver (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. I didn't move it, but found it this way, so I'm just closing the discussion. - GTBacchus^(talk) 18:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

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High Mobility Artillery Rocket System → HIMARS – Similar to Humvee or MRAP I guess. Marcus Qwertyus 16:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

• Support move. WP:COMMONNAME is HIMARS, not "High Mobility Artillery Rocket System", which is also a pain in the arse to type out. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 16:06, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

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Why reduced from M270 12 rockets to Himar 6?

Why reduced from M270 12 rockets to Himar 6? someone knows the answer? --188.171.58.18 (talk) 21:50, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Probably weight and size issues. The tracked MLRS launcher is 3 meters wide, but standard for road trucks is 2.55m maximum in Europe, the U.S. standard is probably similar. A tank is 3.5m wide and fits just so on a train, but on a road it needs the shoulder or half the oncoming lane as well. If you want to be able to use normal roads everywhere, you should keep it to a normal commercial truck size, and also don't overdo with the weight (think of bridges). That's the "high mobility" part of it.--OBrian (talk) 09:50, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Also it is to reduce the amount of weight on so it can travel to places and be less to transport on planes. 107.191.0.59 (talk) 21:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Possible deployment in Ukraine

Hello, I tend to ask before I edit. The HIMARS system appears to have been deployed in Ukraine recently: https://avia-pro.net/news/ssha-peredadut-ukraine-kompleksy-m142-himars-s-dalnostyu-do-500-kilometrov

I'm not sure if that is RSS and reports are sparse. Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:38, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Unit cost

Unit cost is currently given as "$5.1 million (cost of launcher and all ammunition required)". The "all ammunition required" is a problem (required for what?). Probably this should just be the cost of the system without regard to the ammunition, but I don't have a source for that. CAVincent (talk) 06:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Remove Canada fron potential operators?

The list of potential operators says Canada was considering purchasing some by 2012. Since it is now 2022 and Canada does not operate the system, should they be removed? 2607:FEA8:9563:9A00:D89F:6BDD:D4D1:4069 (talk) 13:48, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Fair point. A cursory search on my part shows no further indication since 2009 of Canadian interest, much less usage. Removed. CAVincent (talk) 06:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

"Pro-Ukrainian Telegram Channel"

Towards the end of the discussion of use of the system in Ukraine:

The discussion or 'text' that follows the Telegram Channel mention -- seems to be pro-Russian. It mentions shooting down Ukrainian missile. That seems to be ... not pro Ukraine.

I think someone should check this.

The paragraph can be cleaned up a bit depending on whether this point of view is pro Russian or pro Ukrainian. 2603:301D:1E0C:8000:9188:392E:27B6:85EF (talk) 20:35, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

I wonder if it makes you mad whether it is pro russian or pro ukrainian... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.105.129 (talk) 14:34, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Material in M30A1 - tungsten or tungsten carbide?

There is a lot of information out there saying either one or the other, sometimes both. People often say tungsten when they actually mean tungsten carbide (or some alloy), which further complicates things. Does anyone have any sort of credible source on what the shrapnel is actually made out of? The first assumption is that it is the same as in APFSDS penetrators, so a tungsten heavy alloy (WHA). However, given that these spheres do not need to be actual spheres, their production you be as simple a letting molten material cool down in free fall. So it could also be pure tungsten or some other alloy that would otherwise be hard to machine/produce. Eheran (talk) 10:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

About "first destruction"

You cannot categorically say "first destruction", but rather first "confirmed or proven destruction". There may be equipment that has been destroyed a long time ago, but for many obvious reasons it has not been possible to verify it. In fact, there is a video from a couple of days ago in infrared vision of the destruction of what could have been another vehicle and perhaps two, either another launcher or the reloader. In addition to another video a little earlier of a launcher being targeted by artillery in a forest where it hid after launching his load, but the result is not seen. The peculiarity of the most recent video is that it is a "high definition" real color image with full recognition of the vehicle and its destruction beyond any doubt. 152.207.201.130 (talk) 06:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Citation #90 Federal Register not acceptable citation.

From what I understand Citation 90 links to a page to allow your IP to access the library of sources that website has. Presumably whoever added it meant to add a specific source from that library not a request to whitelist and IP. Unless I am fundamentally misunderstanding what that page does.

I believe the correct citation should be from the article "Arms Sale Notification" dated 10//24/2017 which makes a statement about a proximity fuze and a 10m burst height. Archive.org seems unable to show that article even though it has an archived page from 2023 (it just redirects to the request IP white listing page).

How should that be properly sourced? 2604:3D08:5A7A:48F0:8B12:3B3E:F28A:1527 (talk) 10:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Doing a web search for M30A1 proximity sensor turns up this Federal Register web page with the fuze info in paragraph #3. I used this web page to replace the generic and unhelpful register page. Regards, -Fnlayson (talk) 15:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Further confirmed HIMARS losses

Russia destroyed an additional 2 HIMARS systems on 16th August at Kursk https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-it-destroyed-two-himars-launchers-near-kursk-border-1940184

Another 1 system at Sumy region https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9gj6xlVpkI

Another 2 today on 2. September again at Kursk (Video says 3 but 1 is a Buk SAM system) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xpr63wvsEI 2A02:8108:8A80:753A:209C:4889:2146:ACB8 (talk) 21:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

None of the Youtube links are acceptable reliable sources; the Newsweek one is repeating an unsubstantiated Russian allegation. We cannot include any of these at this time. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 18:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)