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Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I've been surprised for a number of years now that we didn't have a dedicated article to specifically the intersection of The Sun, the Hillsborough disaster and the Liverpool community. After double checking (hopefully I've not missed anything), I've created one. It doesn't contain hugely different information from the old Hillsborough disaster#The Sun and The Sun (United Kingdom)#Hillsborough disaster, but more detail, more room for expansion and hopefully a lot better sourcing (though this needs to be majorly improved still, particularly in terms of diversity of sources cited).

The way I see it, this article should stand as a main page for The Sun's reports on the disaster and the consequences of this. This is a major part of Hillsborough disaster, The Sun (United Kingdom) and Kelvin MacKenzie, so they should all have summary-style accounts of all the content here, but with a focus on whichever is most relevant to that particular article. As it stands, all three of those pages probably have too long sections, but all incorporate some amount of material not in this article that should be incorporated here, mostly with better sourcing needed.

Even this page I think could be expanded to the point where future splits are needed: possibly notable topics are the front cover of the 19 April 1989 edition itself (The Truth (The Sun)?); the Merseyside boycott of The Sun; and the Total Eclipse of The Sun campaign. Separately I notice the bloat at Hillsborough disaster, where I'm surprised there aren't standalone pages for the Hillsborough Justice Campaign, the Hillsborough Independent Panel and the Hillsborough disaster second coroner's hearing.

While we're on the subject, any reference to the 96 victims of the disaster on Wikipedia need updating to 97, as Andrew Devine recently died of injuries sustained in the crush. — Bilorv (talk) 20:02, 20 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

@GOLDIEM J: I see you've moved the page from Hillsborough disaster and The Sun to The Sun Hillsborough disaster coverage. I can understand the point and it does fit the scope of the article, but the current title reads a little oddly to me. I don't think you could use that wording in a grammatically correct sentence, but I'm not an expert in our Article titles policy. I can't offer any counter-suggestions that I'm thrilled with, but I'll throw a couple of ideas out: "The Sun's coverage of the Hillsborough disaster" or "Hillsborough disaster in The Sun" . — Bilorv (talk) 19:58, 7 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Bilorv: Cheers for your suggestions mate, but the thing is, as far as I'm aware, article titles aren't intended to be grammatically correct or fit in to a sort of sentence. It's just a phrase to distinguish the subject of the article. GOLDIEM J (talk) 20:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

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