Talk:Bledsoe's Missouri Battery

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Is there any reason why Bledsoe's Missouri Battery would cause confusion? Most of these ACW batteries seem to be named using the surname of the commander, not the first name and surname. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:26, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67: There was also Joseph Bledsoe's Missouri Battery. Hog Farm _Bacon 12:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Were they on the same side? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 13:55, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67: Yes. Both Confederate. Joseph Bledsoe's was later known as Collins's, but I've seen reliable sources use Bledsoe's Missouri Battery to refer to either one. Hog Farm _Bacon 14:50, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

What we usually do (per WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME) is title units based on their final name unless they are better known as another one. So the question is whether Joseph Bledsoe' Missouri Battery is actually better known as Collins' Missouri Battery. It is easy enough to put a hatnote on both to avoid confusion. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:21, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

I'll need to research to determine what the most prominent name for Joseph Bledsoe's/Collins' was. It's tricky, because the Trans-Mississippi Confederates were really haphazard with naming things: There were technically three units known as 1st Missouri Light Battery. Hog Farm _Bacon 02:21, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67: - After further reading, I think I have a solution. Joseph Bledsoe's Battery was officially named the 2nd Missouri Field Battery, although named by commander was more frequently used during the war. Bledsoe's and Collins' seem to have about equal usage. Would it be best to name Joseph Bledsoe's Battery as [[2nd Missouri Field Battery (if I create it) and move this existing page to Bledsoe's Missouri Battery? Hog Farm _Bacon 19:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

If they are about equal and it ended up the war as “Collins’”, I would follow the usual arrangement of using the final name, and go with “Collins’ Missouri Battery”. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:22, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 15:25, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Hiram Bledsoe's Missouri Battery killed a civilian during the lead-up to the Battle of Chickamauga? Source 46 in the text
  • ALT1:... that Hiram Bledsoe's Missouri Battery used chains as artillery projectiles during two different battles? Sources 6 and 28 in the text
  • ALT2:... that the men of Hiram Bledsoe's Missouri Battery used Black Bitch? Source 2 in the text

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WDAB
• Comment: Black Bitch was the name of a cannon

Moved to mainspace by Hog Farm (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 27 July 2020 (UTC).

• Date and length fine. I am going to approve ALT2 AGF on the book source as I think it is the most interesting of the two as civilian casualties and chain shot aren't that original. However @Hog Farm: I would prepare for a rough ride if this gets promoted as it is likely people might find the wording controversial (Possibly a good job you left off them being Confederates too, I'm approving it as it's hooky and in context and I stand by WP:NOTCENSORED). QPQ is done with no close paraphrasing. Good to go. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:50, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

• I definitely think it should actually include the fact that it was a cannon. To a lesser extent I think it should also be added that it was a Confederate unit. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:58, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
• @Peacemaker67 and The C of E: - If that's the case, I'd propose a new hook instead. Stating that an artillery battery had a cannon is fairly obvious, and the name of the cannon basically becomes gratuitous profanity at that point. How about Hog Farm _Bacon 14:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

• • • ALT3 ... that Bledsoe's Missouri Battery was the only Confederate artillery battery present at the Battle of Raymond? Source 36 in the text That solves the need to insert Confederate, and avoids the potentially contentious profanity. I've got 20kb of readable prose to work with on this one. Hog Farm _Bacon 14:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
      • I rather thought it was gratuitous in the first place and the sentence lacked a proper subject, so I’m happy with ALT3. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:29, 28 July 2020 (UTC)