Talk:Hiro Nakamura/Archive 1

Archive 1

Name in japanese

Has any official site stated how his name is written in Japanese? -Aknorals 08:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Nakamura is probably writen 中村 which literally translates to "In Village" 74.132.202.176 04:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

"Hiro" is probably 結城 Siyavash 16:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing "Hiro" is probably his nickname and actual name is "Hiro-(something)". Note how his actor's full first name is "Masayori" but he goes by "Masi" because it's easier for a non-Japanese to speak. Available candidates are many, but the most likely one is "Hiroshi" as this would be the first three syllables of Hiroshima. Thus the kanji would be 広. Thus, his full name in Japanese is 中村 広. --Revth 13:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

In my japanese class the "Hiro" from Hiroshima was written with that kanji (sorry...don't know how to code it) and "Shima" was its own kanji meaning "island", making it "wide island." In other words, Hiro Shima, not Hiroshi Ma.160.36.44.211MrGalt

I see speculation here, but has anyone actually found a reliable source for Hiro's name written in Japanese? While the common form of Nakamura may seem likely for his surname (since it is a common Japanese name), it is also entirely possible that the kanji used may be different and so have a completly different meaning; jinmeiyō kanji could even be used, making the name more obscure/intresting.

Even more telling will be his given name, as there are several charactors with possible on'yomi/kun'yomi readings that could be pronounced Hiro, or combinations that could be pronounced Hi-ro. Just because he was named in memory of the Hiroshima bakuhatsu doesn't necessarily mean that the "Hiro" in Hiroshima is what was actually used. As mentioned above, Hiro might be a shortened nickname form of his full given name. It's even possible that kana is used instead of kanji, and while hiragana would not be all that significant, it would be very intresting if katakana was used, since it would have been very uncommon to do this at the time being aproximated for his birth. That would definitely shed some light on how heavily influnced his family was (and posssibly he later was) by western culture, and might even be part of the reason why he is being shown as being teased about his name as an adult, and could be a contributing factor to his otaku-fanboy persona.

Possible opportunities to find the name might happen within the show itself, since the writers seem to be playing up the fish-out-of-water cultural differences. Things to look for (in addition to his passport) would be meishi and inkan, which would be common items to carry when traveling far from home for a indeterminate length of stay. Two opportunities to discover the name have already been missed, and both were strange and possibly intentional. It's almost unthinkable that anyone that works in a japanese business office at any level would not be carrying at least a few of their own meishi, and so it was very strange when the police in the New York fast-forward timeline don't find one; it's as common to carry in Japan as a driver's licence is in the US. The other is at the diner; it was odd that Hiro didn't present his meishi when he approached Nathan, as presenting this is as ingrained into japanese socal norm's in this situation as a handshake is in the US. It's hard to say if this is intential or merely an oversight on the part of the writers (Hiro may have given Nathan a meishi on the car ride when he realises his mistake?), but it's almost like Hiro's written name is intentionally being withheld up to this point in the series.

Hiro's name seems to have an impact both directly on him as well as part of the mythos of the show itself. There are so many possibilities that there is no "safe assumption" and since since it would be very easy to get wrong, I think that someone needs to find a very reliable source for it, but I can't find one right now. -- 70.59.241.153 17:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Near the end of Episode 2, there is a wanted poster behind Ando that seems to have Hiro's name on it. Perhaps that is the reference you were waiting for? --GargoyleMT 17:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories

Wait, wait... are we really ready to classify Hiro as a Superhero? --DJ Chair 18:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Point taken. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

eh... I was the one who went around and added that cat to most of the heroes characters articles since they technicallly are... Unless of course, one or more of them ends up becoming one of the villians.--Ac1983fan^{(yell at me)} 19:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

INcorrect! A superhero is not defined by powers or vice-versa. They are superpowered characters, though there's no longer a category for that. They should all be removed. When one does something truly superheroic, add it there. Claire is the only exception I can think of, and even that's debatable. Read a comic, man! ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Occupation

Shouldn't it be changed to "Programmer" instead of "Salaryman"? A salaryman could mean many many jobs. However, many sources concur that Hiro's actual occupation is that of a programmer.--64.219.79.63 18:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I think you mean his listing on the Heroes (TV series) article. You could take it up with them, though they don't really need to be specific with the limited space they have. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 18:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

From the second graphic novel (the Crane), Hiro's ID badge gives his job as programmer. I changed it there and cited the source. --Stabbey 16:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Teleportation or..

I don't think he really has the power of teleportation, i think it is just he is using his time manipulation to fast forward time and make himself be in possible situations that are possibilities, like when he went to new york and saw the destruction and then time rewinded and he was back to wear he was when he used his power. Just a thouhgt though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.84.165 (talk • contribs) at 19:40, October 9, 2006

How would you explain the ladies' room incident? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 19:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Since Hiro's primary power seems to be control of time, it is likely that the writers view space/time as linked in some fashion. This is a common view, popularized by Einstein and Hawking. In short, the theory is this: That as the universe expands, so does time. Ere go, if you were to step back in time, you would also step into a different physical location.

There fore, with that in mind, you can surmise (with some heavy p.o.v. on my part) that the writers were doing something like that... of course, as Hiro gains more and more control of his powers we may find that he can transport himself great distances without losing any time.

This would explain too why it took Hiro five weeks to go from Tokyo to New York, but only a minute (possibly, he was off screen) to go from the barroom to the washroom. --DJ Chair 20:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Definitely POV—and a bit of bad writing—on your part. Still, I see now that you both raise a good point. You don't give the writers enough credit, though. I'll make some corections. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 21:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Teleportation is defined as being able to move from one place to another without crossing the space in between, so we can rule out the fact that he may freeze time and simply move to a new place. Bio 21:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Accidentally?

"He drags Ando along and accidentally freezes time to save the girl, finally convincing Ando of his powers (the truck also collides with a table full of vinyl Mazinger Z figures)."

If memory serves, Ando accidentally put the girl in danger by stepping in front of the truck and causing it to swerve at the young girl. Hiro had every intention of using his power to save her. I don't see how he accidentally triggered his power.

Also, about the Mazinger Z figures, I think that is more for the trivia section than the character history/spoilers section. --Mr Vain 14:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that whoever you are. --Mr Vain 18:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Alexander Shadwell. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 18:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I dunno, the time freezing looked accidental to me. But I might've been wrong. He squinted his eyes, yes, but it looked to me like this was a reaction to the girl nearly being hit by the bus.--SSJ4 Aragorn 05:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Yatta

Yatta can be translated a few different ways. It's usually translated as "Hurray" "Yippy!" "Yay!" or something along those lines. However, translating it as "I did it!" after accomplishing something is not uncommon. The subtitles for the show give the translation as "I did it!", so that's what I went with. Giving the translation as "Hurray" makes the connection with the in show comic book not work, so I changed it back. I also removed the translation I put in later on, because I didn't think it was necessary to translate the same word repeatedly. EvilCouch 04:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Does Hiro have a sword?

Does Hiro have a sword? Someone I know claims to have a seen a sword strapped on his back in one episode. If so, does he have swordsmanship ability? Siyavash 16:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

...swordsmanship ability? Er, I don't know what feat that is, but I'm sure he meets the prerequisites as detailed in the player's handbook. But, in all seriousness, Hiro does in fact wear a katana over his shoulder in the fourth and newest episode, entitled Collisions. He appears to Peter in the subway exclaiming that he has a very important message to pass along to him from the future. It's interesting to note, that in his appearance, he is able to freeze time except for himself and Peter, furthermore he speaks with perfect English (zero accent) and sports a well groomed soul-patch (a small triangle of beard right beneath the lower lip.) --DJ Chair 17:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Haha, no, I wasn't thinking about D&D, I was just wondering if we should add Category:Fictional Kendoka to Hiro's article, but I suppose it's too early to tell as of yet. Siyavash 22:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Not entirely accurate. He speaks with an American accent. I'm no linguist, but I'd say it's very hard to find someone that speaks English with no accent at all. EvilCouch 04:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Good point, I suppose I was misunderstood here. I meant that he speaks without a Japanese accent (which seems to dog people who come to America, mostly because the sounds are so different, (take for example, the "r" and "l" sounds.) --DJ Chair 13:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The sword-bearing future Hiro reminded me of Hiro Protagonist from Snow Crash. Anyone else? --SparqMan 05:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

"A Hiro from the future is also shown to have the ability to freeze time relative to himself and other people of his choosing, although it is still uncertain if this restricts him to himself and one other or if his limits allow more."

I don't know if this sentence should be there. Peter is a power mimic, so he's not frozen because he's in Hiro's vicinity. He's using Hiro's power, Hiro isn't 'unfreezing' Peter. Agree, disagree? Feel free to change it.

That's debatable as Peter's powers are still shakey. He didn't even see Hiro at first, and it seems he needs time to absorb powers, so he would have been frozen for a while. Also, Hiro's powers have probably rapidly evolved, as the future version must be a while away, as he is no longer juvenille, speaks perfect English, and yes does seem to be able to use a katana, just like Mirai Trunks, one of his favorite anime characters.

It seems on several occasions that Peter does not have to deliberately mimic other characters' abilities, they just happen - he walked in the air without apparently being aware that he was doing so; he developed psychic abilities even though he was unaware that Matt Parkman possessed them; it is unclear whether his healing was deliberate or whether it just happened when Claire approached (I think that it was probably not deliberate, seeing as Claire herself appears to have no control over it). Therefore, it would be perfectly possible for him to be unaffected by the time freezing even if he hasn't seen Hiro yet. This would also explain why Hiro chose Peter to come back and speak to - possibly he was the only person Hiro could speak to in this way. Branfish 04:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

You know, the power mimic theory sounds pretty damn good. Perhaps that explains why he is not able to fly when he is not around his brother (but the potential problem with this theory is that when he started "dreaming" about his flying ability, his brother wasn't around). I guess we will find out soon enough. Oh one more thing, I think the "future Hiro" is clearly able to control time/space in a precise manner even if the "current Hiro" is not capable of doing so yet (even this appears doubtful after the Casino event). I mean, he did find Peter on the train and the timing was quite precise. Maybe someone should change the main text a bit? --ST

Hiro's powers should be changed from the three listed to 'Space-Time Manipulation' Which comports better with his individual entry. (This paragraph was moved from Talk:Heroes (TV series) where it was left by User:8.10.52.72)

It may be more accurate, but it conveys less actual information. Actually, I take that back, it's less accurate. What does "manipulate the space time continuum" mean? Can he create a gravity well? Can he bend space-time to bring objects from light-years away close to earth? I think sticking with what the three confirmed abilities is better then one entry that can includes a much wider range of things. Stabbey 18:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

But how do you know he can't do those things? In the future, with better understanding of his powers, he may be able to. Since that's the power stated on the programme specifically, it should be 'Space-Time Manipulation' or the ability to "Bend the space/time continuation." as it is it makes out he has three powers, where he only has one. At the beginning he had little control, and could only teleport, by the end of "Six months later" it seemed he didn't need to concentrate for as long at all, whats to say his powers won't progress further as well, when he gets them back.Jacobshaven3 16:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The ability is only specifically named by Hiro himself, and he is heavily influenced by the comic books he has read. When it comes down to it, there is no "official" source within the Heroes Universe to tell the characters what their powers should be called, so they only know what they have managed to demonstrate so far. That in mind, it is best to restrict our description to those powers that he has demonstrated so far. Branfish 04:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

DBZ Reference

Do we really need to inclue theories or speculations in the discriptions? Until it can be proven as fact, it shouldn't be there. After all, it could be a reference to numerous time travel stories in comics (which the show often references). There is also a possibility it could be referencing Snow Crash, a book about a man named Hiro who wields a sword from the future. Amibite 04:32, 17 October 2006

References to Trunks and other pop-culture time travelers have shown up in "his" blog on NBC's website. This section in particular seems appropriate to the DBZ reference that you pulled.

I've been dreaming for a moment like this my whole life. I've become Chrono in Chrono Trigger or Trunks in Dragon Ball. I've become the hero in my own RPG. Except that this isn't a game. This is real. There is no saved game or cheat codes. I get no Phoenix Downs. There is no game over. There can't be.

I'm excited to take this journey as a hero. In reality, I'm scared. But I have to, and will overcome it. I will not be like Trunks or Akira. I won't live in a post-apocalyptic world. I'm going to save the world! I hope I find my Marle and Lucca though. And soon.

I do agree that putting such references interferes with the flow of the article and didn't need to be where it was, though. EvilCouch 06:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Neal Stephenson's choice of name, Hiro Protagonist, was sort of intentional genre parody. I'd wait on that till we hear that one of the writers was being derivative. there's too much other literature and source material for the Hiro/Hero thing otherwise. ThuranX 03:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Katana or Tsurugi?

While on the phone with Peter, Ando and Hiro refer to his "sword" as a tsurugi (double-edged straight sword, which is called a jian in Chinese) rather than as a katana (backsword, or single-edged curved sword, which is called a dao in Chinese). Of course, they haven't seen the sword yet - but which does it look like? Banazir 03:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Best to go by what he calls it. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 03:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Could Tsurugi be a generic word for any kind of sword? According to the article, "'The word is used in the west to refer to a specific type of Japanese straight, double-edged sword' no longer in common use." Siyavash 13:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Why not just call it "a sword" for now, and then get specific when the specifics are known? Primogen 20:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Biography Format

Each of the character biographies in general and Hiro's especially read like episode guides created for a child's read-along book: "In the first episode, Hiro does this, and then he does that, and then he does the other, and then... In the second episode, Hiro does this, and then he does that... In the third episode...", and so on. Before too long, these articles will all need to be rewritten and condensed so that they don't reference each and every episode the character appeared in, and they don't chronicle each time a character sneezed. When that time comes, what tense should be used for writing them? Example: "Hiro and Ando go to visit Isaac" or "Hiro and Ando went to visit Isaac"? My own preference is for past tense. Primogen 00:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I suspect that's a common malady among shows that are still new; at the beginning, there's only one episode of data available, so that's what gets written about, then there's a second episode that reveals a little more. Before you know it, people are mostly focussing on adding the latest details, and not massaging all the older data together into a structured article.

I did a rewrite on Micah Sanders, because a lot of the stuff in his article was about how his mother was doing this or his father was doing that, which doesn't belong in Micah's article unless it directly impacts him. I do think there's still more to be done.

Also, my preference is also for past tense, though in most cases I have been using the tense that the rest of the article is written in, both to avoid unnecessary reversion wars, and to make tracking changes easier. If we're going to start a concerted effort to rewrite the character articles, I'd definitely prefer past tense. --Psiphiorg 00:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I noticed your rewrite of the Micah article to make it more "Micah-focused" the other day, Psi Phi, and thought you did a great job in making it a more readible and useful article. Primogen 00:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you guys. I think the point of the character articles is to describe who and what the character is. Detailing everything that ever happened to the character seems not only overkill, but even detrimental to this goal, because readers have to dig through the overdetailed bios. In Niki Sanders' talk page I proposed a rewrite of her bio, removing most of the references to particular episodes and condensing the fragmented scene descriptions into broad outlines of the character's storyline. I look forward to your oppinions. Renenarciso 17:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I finally rewrote Hiro's biography, making it much shorter. I also took everything about the "future Hiro" thing to a separate section. Now I invite people to take a look and edit it to make it better. Renenarciso 19:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Great work, Renenarciso! Primogen 03:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hiro's Blog

Is it just me, or have all the entries in Hiro's blog disappeared? Anybody checked it lately?WorldsCollide 22:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You're correct. They removed them because Hiro went back in time. I hope they return once it's been established that Hiro is back in the present. Siyavash 13:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The only thing is that I don't understand why him going back in time would cause those blog entries to disappear. I'm pretty sure it means something. Problem is, we likely won't know for two weeks.WorldsCollide 19:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Fiction-wise, he started writing them when the show startered. Six Months Ago, there was/were no "Heroes". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

And yet, that still doesn't explain why the entries disappeared.WorldsCollide 23:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

<sigh> They...are...trying...to...tie-in...with...the...show...by...pretending...Hiro...never...wrote...his...blog. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

More specifically, they were erased from history when he went back in time.Toquinha 09:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

That's what I said. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I already understood that, ACS, but thank you for so politely pointing it out. What I'm getting at, is that Hiro does something that prevents his past self from writing the blogs. I thought that was fairly self-evident, so I didn't feel the need to mention it. I was just mentioning something I was thinking about adding to article. Someone, Toquinha perhaps seems to have beaten me to it.WorldsCollide 22:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Well, there's not big mystery to "why". His going back in time erased them. He wasn't here, doing whatever and writing them so...no blogs. Interestingly, Hiro and Ando remember while others have had their memories altered. I guess, in Heroes, only past or long term memories of people can't be altered, but the inanimate or unthinking/non-living and short term memories. And frankly, the way it's included now is probably best. What you seemed to have had in mind would just be speculation, like what I just wrote. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 08:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It is a matter of perspective. We see Hiro's Blog from Hiro's point of view, which currently is six months in the past. His other enteries weren't deleted, they just haven't been written yet. AWarriorStill 15:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you've got it, Warrior. Because the blogs are back now. *sigh* And I was so sure that Hiro had changed the past and prevented his past self from writing the blogs...WorldsCollide 22:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought I read here that Masi Oka actually writes the blogs, but now I am failing to see the information. Perhaps I was wrong. Rihk 02:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I find that unlikely. It's much more likely that someone on the writing staff creates those blog entries, so that they can pepper in foreshadowing of things that the actor wouldn't necessarily be aware of yet. --Psiphiorg 00:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Timeline

Has anyone constructed or have access to a "Hiro Timelimeline" showing where he's jumped forward and backwards in time? (e.g. forward five weeks to NYC, back (presumably) six months, etc)Kail Ceannai 06:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• Check this out, it's a work in progress...[[1]]Harter 23:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Three things are cited in the Time Paradoxes section. I'm not sure they qualify as time paradoxes. Perhaps a better title would be "Changing The Past/the Future". A time paradox is when X happens, which causes you go back in time specifically to prevent X from happening, but if you prevent X from happening, how did you go back in the first place to prevent X from happening?

The first one, where Hiro and Ando go to the U.S. after Hiro sees the future is changing events that have not already happened. There's no paradox in that.

The second one, where Hiro travels into the past alters history, but because he left Charlie standing alone outside the diner when he accidentally teleported back, she didn't go to Japan and stayed in the diner and was still murdered by Sylar. If she didn't stay, then it would have been a paradox. The question is what happened when Hiro and Ando entered the Diner after Hiro changed the past.

The phone call didn't cause a paradox either, I doubt that Past Hiro even remembered it. And even Ando was able to retain his pre-change memories.

I just am not sure the "Time Paradoxes" title is entirely accurate. But keep it or not, I don't mind. --Stabbey 22:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I also vote for a removal of the term "paradox". It is simply not the right word, and so shouldn't be there. I don't see why it is still unchanged so long after its inaccuracy was pointed out. Branfish 05:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It's Nokamura, not Nakamura!

Trust me. It's NOkamura, not NAkamura.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennercat (talk • contribs) 17:43, November 18, 2006

Right. NBC, Tim Kring, Masi Oka, The New York Times, etc. are all wrong. Tell me the earth is flat, it'll be more belieavable. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Reality Warping

Is it possible that the writers view bending the space/time continuum as reality warping, it certanly makes since. He can time travel, control time, and teleport by warping reality and tons of other things, maybe his limit is that he can only warp the present and when he travels back in time he can't do anything that will cause a person in the present, thats dead, be alive. Just a thought, there is certanly a pattern of heroes only having one ability — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.84.165 (talk • contribs) 00:11, December 2, 2006

Sylar likely has more then one ability, and indications are that Peter has a second ability as well. Niki might have one that hasn't been revealed yet. While some abilties may be hard to categorize using the normal comic book powers list, Hiro has three abilities that are general area, but distinct from each other and are seperate on the list. I think explicitly stating the three he has is more informative then using one general term. --Stabbey 16:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, in my opinion. Every character so far has only had one ability. Hiro can bend the space/time continuum. The two are linked. He doesn't teleport too new york then travel into the future, he moves from current Tokyo to future New York. Hiro's ability can be seen as the ability to move through time and space as though they were 4th and 5th dimensions, though only by concentrating at the moment. It can show itself in various forms, but in the end, he has one power. Similar to how a telekinetic can lift themselves into the air, move other objects, and in some instances create shields, solely by the one power.

Sylar's power is solely to understand things, whats wrong with them and know how to fix them (well, thats all that has been shown). This enabled him to somehow steal the powers of the dead Heroes, and I guess you could say he now has more powers, but not naturally. Peter's only ability so far shown has been to mimic others abilities. Though it's original research, I think his actual power is a super sensitivity, that allows him to "dream" possible events, e.g. his brothers accident, as well as a sensitivity to others powers (what he's shown thus far) and actively use them when in contact. This is still one power. Niki has only shown that Jessica has super strength. It may be that Niki always had this, but the trauma of Jessica's death split her personality, and the personality holds this power and releases it when "Jessica" takes over. So far no character has definitively shown more than one ability without it being an offshoot of one power. Characters so far have only shown one natural ability each. Jacobshaven3 16:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the creators consider them one power, like "bend the space-time continuum", or "superhuman sensitivity" for Peter, but if we're going to use the List of comic book superpowers as the basis for categorizing the powers on the show, then Hiro has three distinct powers from the list. --Stabbey 20:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Was there a discussion I missed stating we should use the List of comic book superpowers as a basis link, especially since it's a list for comic book characters, of which Hiro isn't. Even if he has three distinct powers, you shouldn't put ability to link to another page over factual information sourced directly from the programme as well as other sources. If it's that necessary then it could be linked as this:

"Ability to bend the Space/Time continuum."

Since time travel and time manipulation are only seperated because enough characters only do one or the other regarding stopping time and travelling through it.Jacobshaven3 21:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

No, there has been no discussion about if we should use the list or not, but so far that's what's been used. Perhaps a discussion on the main or list of characters page about whether that list should be used would be a good idea. And yes, the list is for comic book characters. What of it? A lot of the show is heavily based on comic book mythology and archtypes, that's no secret. I think that at this time, using the list is more appropriate then making a new page which contains basically the same information, just in the exact language used on the show.

"Ability to bend the Space/Time continuum."

There has been a lot of debate over whether Hiro's powers should be given in the general form or the specific from. The above sentence is very vague and is less informative then the three bullet points, even though there are more words. I see no reason why a more wordy, more confusing answer should be given instead of one that pretty much everyone can understand right away. --Stabbey 21:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It's fine, if not better, as is. Jacob, your proposal would just be overly confusing. Are you just doing all this because of the discussion at Talk:Micah Sander regarding Micah's powers? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It's just fine as it is.--Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 11:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Ace, why do you constantly presume that my actions are because of the Micah thread? Have you researched my past behaviour and come to this conclusion yourself, or are you just presuming? Anyhow, I'll bow to concensus and accept that the easy way out is best.Jacobshaven3 18:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Jacobshaven3: "Though it's original research, I think [Peter's] actual power is a super sensitivity, that allows him to "dream" possible events, e.g. his brothers accident, as well as a sensitivity to others powers (what he's shown thus far) and actively use them when in contact." - Though this is pure speculation on my part, it is common practise in superpower situations for a character to gain powers that are an extension of their natural abilities. Peter's sensitivity is repeatedly mentioned in the series, so your theory would fit with that. As for the others, well (again, pure speculation): Hiro may be naturally punctual; Nikki may be naturally conflicted; Sylar and Micah have both shown natural talents in the same basic areas as their powers. After that, I don't know. Branfish 05:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Charlie

When Hiro time travels to the future again after being with Charlie, he is unable to go back. Since he did not mean to move forward in time, it could be that time/space intervened to stop him connecting with Charlie. It works like this: if Charlie's death caused Hiro to move back in time to prevent this death, the death would not have occured, therefore Hiro would not have to travel back, therefore Charlie could not be saved, etc. As this would form a paradox, perhaps the natural order of things prevented him returning. Bio 21:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Bio, I'd like to remind you that Wikipedia is not a forum. While conversing and comuninity/consensual analysis may sometimes be needed, we shouldn't look for oppurnities to spout "theories". While your attempts at explaining the events of the series are nice, it would better if we just waited to be given clear confirmation. This an encyclopedia. We try not to speculate ourselves or add information we cannot verify to articles. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I apologize. I will try not to spout theories on this talk page from now on. Is there elsewhere I can talk? Bio 19:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The Card Shark

"However, the pair are detained further when the same player they cheated earlier (actually a criminal in the employ of Mr. Linderman)" ~ Is there any evidence for this? I got the impression he was the money launderer that "Jessica" took the money to to get it "clean" - it would have been very careless of her to have taken it to somebody in the employ of the man she stole it from. Branfish 05:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Niki borrowed money from Linderman. Jessica sold money from a ballgame. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Aha. Even so, is there any direct evidence that the player (by which I assume the article means the bloke in the stetson) works for Linderman? Branfish 06:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just rewatched episode 3, and in it Niki clearly tells DL's mother that it was Linderman that DL's crew had robbed. Now, while we can't be sure that the Stetson guy was the money launderer (as it could have been one of the other players), it seems equally unlikely that Jessica would go to somebody who associates with Linderman's employees, so unless anybody can justify the assertion that the fellow in question worked for him, then it shouldn't be there. Branfish 23:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the guy in the yellow suitcoat was the money launderer, who apparently also runs a table, not the guy in the Stetson. The guy in the Stetson could still work for Linderman – it would be hard to completely avoid contact with agents of someone as powerfull as they've made Linderman. Stetson guy and the money launderer don't need to have a business relationship to be playing cards – and it seems like Stetson guy wanted to get the launderer back for something. anon. 17:26, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if he MIGHT work for Linderman, but until we have some evidence that he DID, it shouldn't be in the article. Branfish 02:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Interests: Star Trek

I reckon Hiro's interest in Star Trek warrants a mention. I'd add it myself if I were more familiar with the character but Heroes is yet to air in my part of the world. It's quite clear, from just a peek at Hiro's blog, that he's a fan of ST but, for all I know, there might be reference to this in the show. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the subject could add this information? Much appreciated.--nichst203.164.147.10 19:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Late Train

Shouldn't we keep the train bit? It seems like a helpful addition. It gives note to Hiro's abilities, so maybe it could be kept, if changed? Bio 19:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Formely in Archive 2

Kensei

"According to an ancient Japanese scroll, the sword belonged to an ancient samurai warrior called Takezo Kensei (another name for famed swordsman Miyamoto Musashi)."

Where in the world is it stated that 'Takezo Kensei' is another name for Musashi? There is probably some inspiration there, but this seems like someone that someone has made up of their own accord.--MythicFox 03:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

According to the Wikipedia article Kensei, Kensei is a term applied as an honorific to a masterful or legendary swordsman, certainly an apt description of Miyamoto Musashi. However, that is probably where the confusion came in. It appears that the term Kensei can apply to any great swordsman, not just Miyamoto. The text of the article should be corrected. --Stormraven 04:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Just after "Godsend" aired, some generic IP address user modified Miyamoto Musashi's article to indicate that "Takezo Kensei" was another name he was known by. However, this claim did not come with any supporting citations, and given the highly suspicious timing of that particular addition, I reverted that edit as well as the one in this article. --ΨΦorg 08:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I went searching for information via the almighty Google. Thus, a proposed addition: "Takezo Kensei" is derived by adding the honorific Kensei to Shinmen Takezo, Miyamoto Musashi's name prior to adulthood. This page and this related page list the following sources: Cleary, Thomas. The Japanese Art of War. Shambala, 1991 Miyamoto Musashi. (trans. Thomas Cleary) The Book of Five Rings. Shambala, 1994 Turnbull, Stephen. The Lone Samurai and the Martial Arts Arms and Armour. 1990

I'm not sure which of these contains the aforementioned name, but it is a start, provided that the community deems this information verifiable and worthy of note. Perhaps someone wants to search a bit more heavily? Valaqil 16:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I added the initial comment about Musashi after doing a search for Takezo Kensai and coming up to his page. I did not realize that the edit made to Musashi's page was done after the episode aired, my bad. BMZ 09:58 (Pacific Time), 24 January 2007

In "Godsend" when in the museum and first find the sword, there is a short cut to some printed text, we can see: "Tekezo Kensei (1584-". 1584 is also Miyamoto Musashi year of birth. All these are far to much to be co-incidential. Even if there is no confirmation that Tekezo Kensai is an acceptable name for Miyamoto Musashi, it is most likely that the shows creators are indeed refering to him. In summary, at least an irresolute reference to Takezo Kensai should be placed in the article. DuckeJ 10:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The sentence:

"According to an ancient Japanese scroll, the sword belonged to an ancient samurai warrior called Takezo Kensei (possibly an allusion to Takezo Kensei)."

...is problematic a couple of ways. First, the idea that a name is an "allusion" to that same name is weak. A name is far more than a mere allusion to itself. However, in this case, it's almost irrelevant, since the TK link redirects to Musashi anyway. I've changed the article to point directly to MM, which also clarifies the "allusion" phrase to "(possibly an allusion to Miyamoto Musashi)." By all means, continue debate over whether this allusion is real or valid, but as long as it's in the article (which seems warranted to me, at least), it should be clear to the readers. Slurms MacKenzie 18:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, TK doesn't redirect to MM, it just goes to Kensei. The MM page doesn't use that name, and linking the two seems to be original research. --Milo H Minderbinder 19:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I see that the redirect has been changed, and that's fine with me. I still maintain that the phrasing you keep reverting to is incredibly backward -- the name does not "allude" to itself, it can only allude to something else. If you don't want to reference to MM included (although I don't see consensus for that), the entire panthetical should be cut out. -- Slurms, unable to log in.

Actually, I just reverted that phrasing once and I agree. My second edit removed the whole phrase as you said. --Milo H Minderbinder 22:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I appear to be having some caching issues, then. My bad. Anyway, huzzah!

Moved from Talk:Heroes (TV series)

Accordig to Wikipedia, Takezo Kensei is Miyamoto Musashi. Diluvial 14:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Please don't randomly add new data to an old thread. Anyway, all references to this connection were added after the episode aired. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read the talk page guidelines:Don't edit others' comments. The thread requested more information, so I gladly provided it. There was no previous mention of Musashi on the TV Series talk page. The age of the thread was irrelevant as its questions had not been answered. Therefore, my coment was neither a candidate for editing nor for refactoring. "Archive--don't delete," and always include a reason. Diluvial 22:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd second that, I'm not sure why it was moved (originally just deleted, and then a second time after I restored it). Ace, cut it out. --Milo H Minderbinder 23:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

"Cut it out"? I'd llke to think we're all adults here, or that we can at least act like ones. The comment wasn't going to get noticed where it was anyway. Furthermore, to quote Argash, character specific discussions should be conducted on that character talk pages. No offense to Dil, but a mistake was made, and all I did was correct it. Claim I violated TPE if you wish, but you'll only be defending an error, and not something minor like a typo. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the guidelines (plural) were not clear enough: No personal attacks. It even has its own page: WP:NPA --Diluvial 00:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

When did I attack anyone? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I've read (the fictional novel) Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa. Takezo is indeed the name given for Miyamoto Musashi prior to his taking that latter name later in life. Kensei is also an honorific commonly applied to Musashi. Though the reference is clear, the legend Hiro remembers about Musashi is largely fictional. Musashi was actually famous for shunning swords in his latter years. (Crossing from the fictional back into the real, bear with me. Musashi, like Cyrano, was a real person around whom a larger legend grew.) The only element of the story that struck me as historically accurate were the references to Musashi being beastly or uncouth, presumably a reference to his refusal to bathe after being ambushed in a bathhouse. That, and his reputation as the greatest of all samurai.Baudot 07:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Powers and abilities

Did anyone notice in the pilot that Hiro actually chooses his abilities. He didn't stumble upon them, he made his "hiro face" and moved the clock back. Think about it. He never had powers before, then one day he decides to try to move back time... and then it works. After which, he seemed to decide that he can teleport, too. This also wasn't discovered, he just tried to do it and it happened.

Also, the reasoning that he needs the sword to use his powers is questionable. How could he even know that?

I think that it should be noted, but it might sound too much like speculation. Thoughts? --EXV // + @ 09:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that it is inconclusive. How do we know he has not had some indication of these abilities prior to the epsiode? Perhaps something happened that caused him to believe that he could do it with more control, e.g. he manifests the power on accident at some point.

As for the sword, the story told that Takezo became powerful or whatever when using the sword. He doesn't _know_ that. He just suspects/believes it that will be true for him as well. He may get all the way to the end, find that this whole quest for the sword was a waste, and his lack of belief in himself was the reason his powers waned. Who knows? There is too much speculation here, imo, to place this into the article. Valaqil 17:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this, it appears that most of the heroes choose their abilities, for instance Nathan who frequently may need to "get away from it all" so to speak, has the power of flight which alone is not much good for a hero, but could help in an escape scenario (like when Bennett and the Haitian come after him in Las Vegas), Peter, a nurse by profession has the power of Empathy, because he "always wanted to be like his brother" Eden had a life of being told what to do, and as revenge wanted to be able to tell other people what to do and developed the power of Mind Control. Sylar/Gabriel Gray was a watchmaker/fixer, and needed to be able to see how the watches worked in order to fix them, Claude was a recluse(however this is anachronistic to his powers' manifestation) and had the power of invisibility. yeah it's mostly speculation, but it might be worth it to discuss, if not on wikipedia then in forums and other places. LIMEY 04:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems that it's more like the characters embody their abilities. The abilities, even if not active in youth, helped form their personality. Regardless of the way round it went, no body chose their ability, otherwise no one would have problems with them. Jacobshaven3 13:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that when Hiro and Ando are being shot, if Hiro make the time and the bullet to travel back, inmediately, the bullet would be fired again, and shot one of them. Realize that the entire gun is forced back, and Hope cant control that. And over all things, Ando says: I dont want to die! and his wish is accomplished just like some time before he says: we need hope, and they met Hope. I think that maybie Ando has his own power, because in the shot scene, that power not correspond to any that Hiro has made before. (Sorry about my english).

There's really nothing you can argue for that except that it it's a fantasy element; Kring has made it clear that he designs the powers around the characters and not the other way around, that that's what his approach is to the series (a fairly recent Wired.com article mentioned one of the comic book geek writers saying how they were all like "We need a fire guy! We need an ice guy!" but that Kring insisted on creating the character first, the powers second). Thus the prison inmate who can walk through walls, clock-watcher who learns to control time, a theif who can turn invisible, and so on. That is why the powers seem to "coincidentally" fit perfectly for many of the characters; because they were made custom-tailored to each character during the creation process. Now, one can easily argue that this means each person's powers are also a metaphor (mostly in the vein of escapism of some sort, e.g. mom with super strength, kid brother who always wants to be like his brother being able to soak up powers, etc.), but unless your opinion meets Wikipedia's notability standards, there's no argument for putting it on the main article. However, I will agree that metaphorical readings of the powers are obviously valid ones in a general sense, especially given that in addition to two siblings (namely, the Petrelli brothers) having very different abilities, we've also seen two cases (Claire and Micah) where a powered child does not have the same powers, or often even remotely similar powers, as one or both powered parents, which would seem to indicate that either the gene or genes can mutate from one generation to the next, or that it's a complex trait or set of traits influenced by more than one gene, or that it's not 100% genes (i.e. combination of nature and nurture, or combination of genetic and non-genetic influences much like metabolism, height, weight and personality all are), or hell, maybe even all or none of the above, depending on the character and the whim of the writers. However, ah, I'm falling into the speculation trap now to, I need to be careful. It's easy to do when trying to write about a show like this!

But yes, it's pretty clear that the powers are also metaphor, but that the "fitting well with the characters" thing is intentional on the part of the writers is really the only verifiable thing we can say about it until someone publishes say, an analysis book on it much like they have for series like Buffy, Firefly, South Park and Harry Potter. I believe it's been noted at least in that recent Wired.com article if nowhere else but I'm almost positive I've seen this noted in multiple places. 63.21.1.192 05:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Random Trivia

I'm wondering where to add random parts of trivia about Hiro. For instance, I believe he is one of the few characters who has appeared in every single episode so far. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.192.25.99 (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

Integrate them into the narrative of the article. Wikipedia tends to frown on trivia sections. Padillah 15:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

When Kimiko and Hiro's father get into the Limo in "Distractions", the license plate says 'NCC 1701'.70.241.95.4 22:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I looked at a site regarding solar eclipses, and found some partial solar eclipses for 1671, but no total ones.

Here is NASA's solar eclipse page.

Here is information on the eclipse visible near Japan in that year.

206.148.168.193 19:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)NotWillDecker

Name

The name of the senior vice-president of the design division of Nissan is "Shiro Nakamura". This, and the important presence of the Nissan brand in the show are enough in my opinion to include a sentence about this potential link in the Section dedicated to the origin of Hiro's name. I'm re-adding it. Magemax 14:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed. This is what Wikipedia considers "original research". You'll need to find some reference that states teh show's creators made the choice on that basis, otherwise you're just speculating as to their intent. --Ckatz^chat_spy 16:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevent. Probably accurate, but until one of the creators says, it's an assumption. It was probably subconscious, otherwise one of the creators would've said something given the similairity and the presence of Nissan.

Theories are allowed at the Heroes Wiki or a message board or something. --EXV // + @ 19:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

However they are not at Wikipedia. Jacobshaven3 22:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Nakamura

In the section for his name, the Kanji for Nakamura was listed as 「中村」. I removed it because unless this was listed somewhere, 'Nakamura' can be written at least 15 different ways, according to my dictionary. WindOwl 14:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

According to the Heroes Japanese website, his name, like all other Western names, is written in katakana - ヒロ・ナカムラ (Hiro Nakamura). Seems odd, especially since it is a Japanese name. But as you noted, there are several ways to write a Japanese name. Andrew Eng 20:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The only problem is that as a NAME, it is almost never writen in another form. Not only that, but because NBC themselves have stated that Hiro is named after Hiroshima, the symbol used to write Hiroshima (広) should be considered the proper Kanji. Not only that, but although the symbol is used in a compound noun, it is pronounced Hiro by itself, increasing probability that it is correct. WatashiNoAiken 75.162.56.19 03:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

New Power

In "unexpected" Hiro reuses his powers, however, he uses a different power than from before. After the bullet is fired, he makes the bullet return into the gun. However, he did not reverse time. If he had reversed time, then the cops wouldn't have immediately swooped down on Hope. This could either be explained that Hiro reversed time only on the gun / Hope, but left the cops in real time. Or the creators of the show fucked up and didn't realize that their timing of events was wrong. Any thoughts?

Someone wrote in the powers section that he altered time in a specific space. That really doesn't sound plausible to me, but then the whole concept of the show isn't. So I think it's an interpretation of his powers, although it's really stretching believability. Either that or he has telekinesis or something. --EXV // + @ 12:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Telekinesis? Bah. Nah, It seems like localized time manipulation, which I don't really see as far fetched really when someone can fly, a girl can repair damage even after her brain has died, et al. All he did, was reverse the bullet specifically. He can already stop time in such a way that he is unaffected, so why not reverse time so that only the bullet is affected? Jacobshaven3 11:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It's trickier than that, Jacob, though I think you're on the right track. If it was just time reversal, why would the bullet refire as soon as time returned? Instead it misfired. Also, it's interesting that he caught a bullet in mid-flight. To the first, one view would be that he stopped then reversed time just for the projectile itself - when it returned to the gun, the explosive had already partially detonated... That still leaves the interesting fact that he reacted faster than a human could react... Twinotter 20:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I think he he reversed time on the gun and put it back into normal time before it fired- Redspiderman 3/1

"(the one present Hiro is currently looking for)"

C'mon folks! Surely this is just speculation? - Ta bu shi da yu 10:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

About the Katana? No, it's not speculation to say that the present-day Hiro is looking for the sword that the future Hiro had. Present day Hiro has said that he is looking for it multiple times. It was even a major part of the "Godsend" episode. dposse 21:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Katana vs Nodachi

At first, i put Katana as a generic term for a Japanese sword. Since then, Nodachi has replaced it as a more specific name for the sword that Hiro is searching for. Is there any evidence that the term "Nodachi" is more correct than "Katana" in this case? If no one objects, i will change it back to Katana since i do not believe that we can get that specific about the type of sword yet. dposse 21:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

When they first hear about Future Hiro's sword, Hiro and Ando refer to it as 剣 (tsurugi), which is a generic term for a sword. Later, they start referring to it as a Katana. I don't recall ever hearing 'nodachi'. WindOwl 14:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Appearances

Someone changed the trivia that Hiro is one of two characters to be in every episode to three, the other being Mr. Bennet. I don't believe this is true, and if it is, it's not on the other's pages. It also doesn't validate much, it's cool but that's it. Why don't we say that Hiro is the only one to be portrayed by three actors for Young Hiro, Present Hiro, and Future Hiro? None of it really seems to matter.

Or we could get rid of the trivia section like we're supposed to. Padillah 01:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Discrepancy with power?

The first time Hiro jumped to the future in Genesis and Don't Look Back, he had been missing for five weeks, most likely due to the fact that he wasn't there to live through that time because he skipped it. But it doesn't seen to correlate to what's happening now with him jumping five years into the future and meeting himself. Time travel is always confusing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.203.136.254 (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Just saying

When hiro and ando walk in to find their future selves, there's all that string with events posted on them. I'm pretty sure that is suppose to be a timeline of events. The reason it zig-zags all over the room would be because of all the time traveling he's done and events he's tried to change. Just saying

Hiro in "Company Man"

If the baby Kaito gives to Mr. Bennet is Claire, the episode has to be set more than thirteen years in the past; at least fifteen, as Claire is listed as being sixteen in Genesis and can't be more than a year old in Company Man. Hiro looks to be about seven rather than ten.

Hiro/Oka nominated for 2007 Spaceys

http://www.spacecast.com/microsites/spaceys07/viewersChoice/tv_character/ Can this be linked to ASAP? The voting ends this week and he's badly in need of votes for a chance to win. 205.150.14.236 14:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Contradict tag

I have added a contradict tag to the trivia section. It states

"As of "The Hard Part", Hiro is one of only three characters to appear in every episode of the series, although Hiro appeared as a child during a flashback in "Company Man". The other characters are Claire Bennet and Mr. Bennet, who are the only characters to be portrayed by the same actor in every episode."

though the Claire Bennet article states

"As of "Five Years Gone", Claire is the only character to appear in every episode portrayed by the same actor."

Does Mr. Bennet appear in each episode, portrayed by the same actor, Jack Coleman? According to Coleman's IMDb, he is not credited for appearing in "Nothing to Hide", but I am not sure this is completely accurate. Can anyone confirm that Jack Coleman, as Mr. Bennet, appears or does not appear in "Nothing to Hide"? --WillMak050389 00:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm that Mr. Bennet indeed does not appear in Nothing to Hide (Heroes --Piemanmoo 01:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Hiro inspired by (or homage to) Hiro Protagonist in SNOW CRASH?

Has no one noticed that the "Hiro with a samurai katana" might be inspired by Hiro Protagonist from Snow Crash? -- David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 19:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Whether he may or may not be inspired would not be the issue, but whether a citable source could be found from one of the show's writers or creators that states that Hiro is inspired from any source. PureSoldier 19:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

You really think a Japanese guy named Hiro with a sword is unique enought to make this kind of assumption? You don't read much do you? PureSoldier has the prevailing point though: it's been said before and it'll be said again, Wikipedia is not about truth, it's about verifiability. Padillah 12:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Adventures in the Future

I know that there is an effort to reduce the character articles, but I'm not sure how far that's gone, but even if they aren't reduced the section on his adventures in the future is overly confusing. Someone who has watched the show should understand what's going on, but someone unfamiliar with it might be confused. Since it is in the future it has many instances of calling characters "future" whoever or "present" whoever. The wording just seems really confusing when I tried to read the section, but I'm not really sure how to clean it up because the section does give an accurate summary of events. There has to be an easier way to refer to the characters though. I guess if there is an effort to cut out a lot of the plot summaries in these articles the point will be moot, but if not are there any suggestions to make it flow better? Phydend 17:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thousand cranes

I'm sorry, but there says Hiro folded 1000 origami cranes. Have we counted this? I don't think so. He talks about origamis, and then Charlie adds the tradition, there is no proof that he has folded 1000 of'em. I'm saying this because that sentence aims to contradict the fact that Hiro can't stop time for long. I think, that sentence should at least be changed to "it is implied that he has folded 1000 cranes while the time has been stopped.", if not completely removed.

Exactly what I thought the previous time. Please do remove the mention of a specific number. --Kizor 07:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

IIRC, in an interview they said that it was way more than 1000 cranes, because 1000 didn't fill up the room enough. Ophois 02:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

You know, he could have folded them in his spare time. Maybe he froze time, walked to the back of the diner, or wherever, and grabbed the box of cranes, and hung them up, then unfroze time. Besides, this was before his power faded. ZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 18:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Trivia is getting out of hand

I can understand why some of the entries are there. But, are we really interested that a Battōdō school has the same name? And even so I have no interest in his appearance on a POSTER in someone's room in a comic book! I am deleting those two items as uninteresting to the main article. Padillah 19:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

There's already a Hiro's Blog

Unless I get some pushback I'm deleting any trivia point that says "Hiro's blog says..." There's already a Niro's Blog the user can read it if they like. Or we can create an article for Hiro's Blog and recap there if you like, but I don't think these entries are appropriate for this article in any case. Padillah 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hiro's Sword

Hiro's sword isn't really a Ontological paradox. Future Hiro would have gotten his sword from Linderman like Current Hiro, not from another Future Hiro. Current Hiro managed to change the timeline, so he's not going to end up giving it to himself. The sword didn't just come into creation; it is just an older version of the same sword. Ophois 02:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Not formely in archive 2

The dragon

Isn't Hiro the dragon in the legend? Think about it; Hiro convinces Kensei to be a hero (The dragon teaches Kensei how to use a sword). Then, Kensei "died" because Hiro kissed Yaeko (The dragon wanted Yaeko in return, but Kensei ripped out his heart and gave it to the dragon). Chagi (talk) 13:32, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevant Information

A good deal of this page is episode synopsis, and while this information may be of interest, it is not of specific relevence. Episode summary should be removed--specific wiki pages already exist for individual episodes. This removal would also eliminate a considerable quantity of maladroit writing. (The clumsy presentation and general irrelevance suggests that the original poster was an overzealous "Heroes" fan with minimal understanding of "topics") 169.237.69.239 (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, this page is a mess. There is so much needless info that it should be less than a quarter it's current length, especially that Fictional Character Synopsis section. People really need to get real and stick to the most relevant facts and events and back them up with third party sources. 15:45, 9/Dec/2008

Hiro's Power

It has been sugested that Hiro does not "freeze" time, he in fact slows time down so much to a point where it seems like time is frozen. In season three, there is apparantely a character with the power of super speed who can move normally when Hiro "freezes" time. I think this should be mentioned somewhere in the article.

Sounds good but I see two problems. One will go away and that is that the episode hasn't aired yet. Fansites are great but we need more concrete verifiability here in WP. The other may not go away ever; and that's the assumption made that because the person can move superfast they can defeat Hiro's power. The display hopefully leaves no doubt as to what's happening but, again, we have to see the episode to determine what's going on. padillaH ^{(review me)}_{(help me)} 15:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is the timeline splintred like this?

Hiro is the one character that has a reasonable expectation of recounting the "Alternate Future" since it wasn't an "alternate" to him, he was there. But why is it removed from the flow of the article? It should be as if the timeline were linear, because for him, it was. padillaH ^{(review me)}_{(help me)} 13:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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Flowery Subsection headings

Why are the subsection headings so flowery in this article? "The Quest for the Blade of Takezo Kensei"? "An Old Friend"? and the worst "Race For the Formula, The Speedster and the New Future"? Where did these come from and why should we keep them? At best they are inconsistent with the other articles. Padillah (talk) 13:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hiro teleporting without teleporting himself

There is no way to no that he is doing this. For all we know he could stop time, teleport the other person, teleport back, and then start time again. We don't know that he does but we can't say that he doesn't either. Padillah (talk) 17:25, 17 October 2008 (UTC)