Talk:History of the Georgia Institute of Technology

Fixed Prof. Robert "Bob" McMath's title

Bob McMath was a history prof at Tech: I had him for a class about 1983 (IIRC); and he was well liked by the students per the Course Critique book. For the record, I was a student at Tech 1978—`83; and back for 2 quick quarters in 1988. Discpad (talk) 20:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

User subpage

Why is this a user subpage, and not a main namespace article? ----Rodzilla (talk) 06:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The rationale for using a user subpage is that it serves as a place to develop text that isn't not mature or stable enough to be a mainspace article. Also, once this history article is fleshed out, I'd like a summary of the expanded article to replace the contents of Georgia Institute of Technology#History. I'm leaving the "readyness" up to MaxVeers more than anything, as it is his user subpage. Make sense? —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 07:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Or more simply, we could move it to the mainspace. We just don't want to yet. :p —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 07:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hammertime!

I think the page is mature enough for the mainspace. What do you guys think? I know it needs some serious expansion, but it's no longer the young section that it once was. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 21:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know...perhaps we should tick a few more things off the to-do list first. On that note, might I suggest a subsection about the history of women at Tech? There is a lot of specific information about the subject that is distinct from the rest of the timeline and doesn't particularly flow well with the rest of the text. For example, there is the info about the women at the school of business, then women being admitted, then actually being able to enroll in programs,the opening of dorms, then finally the issue of "tripling" in female dorms the 1980s (?) because more women were admitted than they had housing for.

Also, speaking of "flow," that's another reason I don't think it's quite ready...parts of it feel really choppy. I think some consideration for style should be made before it goes "live." LaMenta3 20:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It's good enough to be a mainspace article after that last expansion. I'm moving it. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 17:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Amazing work! MaxVeers 15:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm especially proud of my paragraph on Crecine's institute reorganization :) —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 19:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

Spotted a sentence or two that needs an individual citation, but overall the article meets all the criteria for GA. Congratulations and good work. Mocko13 22:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

A-Class

I have downgraded this from an A to a B for WikiProject History. There was no formal A-class review and I don't believe it would pass one in it's current state--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 10:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

It passed a Good Article nomination, and as such is at least GA-class. Also, it has had one FAC (unsuccessful, but barely so) - so despite the length of the to do list, this is a high-quality article. If you want to put it up for A-class review, or if you don't believe it's GA-class and you wish to put it up for Good Article review, please do so. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 21:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it was fine as a GA. It has improved somewhat now and might pass an A-Class review. I won't be nominating it though, as I haven't worked on it.--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 19:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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Page name

Surely this should be located at History of Georgia Institute of Technology, shouldn't it? I mean, the article on the university itself is at Georgia Institute of Technology, not at Georgia Tech. Just seems like we should use the official rather than colloquial name.

Any objections to my moving it? Dylan (talk) 21:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of on the fence with this one; while I believe that the main article (Georgia Institute of Technology) should adhere to the official name, I'm not so sure about the sub-articles such as History of Georgia Tech and Georgia Tech traditions. I'm actually rather happy about where they are at the moment. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 21:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm inclined towards keeping the colloquial name, personally. Some school articles use their common name like Georgia Tech does:

• List of Virginia Tech alumni and Virginia Tech Hokies (school's main article: Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University)
• Traditions and student activities at MIT and MIT class ring (school's main article: Massachusetts Institute of Technology; admittedly, some other MIT articles use the school's full name)
• Cal Poly football team plane crash and Cal Poly Mustang Band (school's main article: California Polytechnic State University)

I'm not dead set on it, but it seems to at least be acceptable to use the school's colloquial name in related articles, while the main article uses the official name. • WarpFlyght (talk • contribs) 21:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Good examples. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 23:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The official name of Georgia Tech is THE Georgia Institute of Technology. If you thing it should be the title at least get it correct. Need proof? Look at the school seal, its around the rim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.237.34.177 (talk) 02:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

No it's not. Don't even pretend. Seriously. If you want proof, GT's trademarks are listed on this page. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 04:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to update that the trademarks page has moved since I posted that: Georgia Tech Licensing & Trademarks. Disavian (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: Pass

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. I would recommend taking the article back to WP:FAC if editors are interested. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 07:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I've been working on the suggestions from the last FAC (listed in the to do list) but it's hard to maintain momentum with that many pending tasks for this article. Thanks for the corrections, though. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 14:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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Regarding a question of neutrality

Hello,

I noticed some interesting wording while reviewing History of Georgia Tech. Particularly with the desegregation of Tech. Naturally, the history of Georgia Tech and the rivalry with UGA makes fertile breeding ground for a little biased talk against University of Georgia and other universities. I don't think it would hurt for us to reevaluate the neutrality of the article.

For all Tech alumni out there, I will be soon creating the History of the University of Georgia article. You should expect the same reciprocality and good nature of neutrality from me when I create this article.

Best, DMB112 (talk) 03:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

This article cites references which supports all of the historical facts found in this article. Please be more specific regarding wording in this article which you have identified as bias. Thanks Mistercontributer (talk) 01:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

The sources that discuss integration all highlight that UGA had a hard time of it, and GT did not. That's not bias, that's a fact. I suggest you pick up a copy of Engineering The New South if you doubt it. Disavian (talk) 02:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Having re-read over the integration section, I don't see language that could be interpreted as non-neutral, and every statement of fact that could be questioned seems to be backed up with one or more source, some of which are from the University of Georgia Library's own historical records. Please provide examples of statements which you find non-neutral, facts of which you question the veracity, or sources of which you question the reliability, because I don't see any issues. LaMenta3 (talk) 19:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the neutrality issues either, but looking forward to the UGA History article. MaxVeers (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you all for your prompt replies. I am sorry for the delay. I see that I'm in the minority regarding the article's neutrality. That's fine. I was concerned when I saw the initial desegregation comparison to U. Georgia. While tensions did exist regarding desegregation, many [students] also rallied at the Georgia Arch in 1961 for integration, not against it. The article, intentionally or unintentionally, worded the University of Georgia's desegregation to be more along the lines of the Ole Miss riot of 1962. However, that aforementioned bit has been removed. I see no need to continue the question of neutrality claim. It was simply distasteful and reeked of a holier than thou frame of mind.

I will also note for your general knowledge, that UGA integrated before Georgia State University(1962), Emory University and Mercer University in 1963. University of Alabama also did not integrate until 1963. In fact, Georgia Tech only integrated "peacefully" (as your article indicates) as a direct result of the witnessing turmoil University of Georgia faced after their riot. After the riots at Georgia, the GT community figured it would be cleaner if they went peacefully. I'm not saying that the author had demonized UGA, but I wanted to set that fact straight. The only reason the riot first happened at Georgia is because UGA is the state's flagship university. Naturally, any desegreative event would occur at the larger university.

Once more, I don't mean to question the whole article, only some wording and occasional lack of sources. By on large, everything seems fine. Small semantics count. "Brittain suggested that the lack of Georgia Tech alumni on the Board of Regents contributed to their decision." Where is a source for this? Does citation 89 hold for this statement? It is likely true, but a source is still required for further readings.

I recommend a deeper inspection of other articles regarding Georgia Tech. It's important to keep neutrality in mind. Let us make like our school's researchers and work together.

MaxVeers, I am glad you look forward to it! I do as well.

Best,

DMB112

DMB112 (talk) 22:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

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