Talk:History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict

It should start with the already existing article of jews in otoman empire .

The article, which is of a topic that is highly sensative, was improperly merged two months ago without having many people participate in such a decision.

Although it was a "merge" and not a "delete" to this content, in practice, it was a deletion of the content, since the content wasn't really fully merged to the article Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

Since the content of this article was created by quite a few people over the years, I ask anyone whom is considering a merge or a deletion of this content make sure that a peroper discussion be held in the future before making such a decision. WikiJunkie (talk) 20:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 May 2021

It’s not considered as a conflict when one party is using weapons to kill innocent people. Its terrorism! Israeli’s are nazis! 111.119.188.9 (talk) 17:45, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ― Qwerfjkl  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 19:21, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Grammatical correction request on 19 May 2021

Towards the bottom of the "1993–2000: Oslo peace process" section, I believe that "In return for their release Israel sent over the medicine which saved his life and freed a dozen of Palestinian prisoners including Sheikh Ahmad Yassin." should be "In return for their release Israel sent over the medicine which saved his life and freed a dozen Palestinian prisoners including Sheikh Ahmad Yassin." (removing an extraneous "of"). NULLIF (talk) 15:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 September 2022

"change The history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict began with the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948. to The history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict began before the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948." 123.243.38.121 (talk) 07:02, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Madeline (part of me) 14:54, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 October 2022

Two instances of sentences not starting with an upper case letter.

1. In section "1993–2000: Oslo peace process", "the agreement marked the conclusion of the first stage of" should be changed to "The agreement marked the conclusion of the first stage of".

2. In the section "2000-05: Second Intifada", "in addition, Hamas has openly stated" should be changed to "In addition, Hamas has openly stated". Cvrts (talk) 20:44, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done ~~ lol1VNIO⁠👻 (I made a mistake? talk to me) 22:11, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 October 2023

Under The conflict > 2020s, change initially fired At least 2,200 to initially fired at least 2,200 (grammar). V1vipediaa (talk) 01:37, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done 💜  melecie  talk - 02:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

bias?

I’m wondering about why Palestines violence is labeled as terrorism in this article but Israel’s is considered a “military operation”? The connotation of these words are obviously problematic when you’re in search of unbiased facts. This is in reference to the beginning of the article, “The conflict has been marked by violence, including terrorist attacks by Palestinian militants and military operations by Israel”. AcuriousKat (talk) 09:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@AcuriousKat also see the 1978 UN report of the Palestine history part 1 where it references both sides as terrorizing each other.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-i-1917-1947

"This campaign of terror against Palestinian Arabs and the British reached such proportions that Churchill, a strong supporter of Zionist aims and at that time Prime Minister, stated in the House of Commons:

“If our dreams for zionism are to end in the smoke of assassins’ pistols and our labours for its future are to produce a new set of gangsters worthy of Nazi Germany, many like myself will have to reconsider the position we have maintained so consistently and so long in the past. If there is to be any hope of a peaceful and successful future for zionism, these wicked activities must cease and those responsible for them must be destroyed, root and branch" Freerocks (talk) 23:13, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. They have both been "waging war" against each other or they are both "terrorizing" each other. To slant the language against Palestine when Israel has killed more civilians and destroyed more civilian infrastructure (prior to 2023) is blatant bias and should be corrected.

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties XavierThunderheart (talk) 06:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

"My thoughts exactly" in response to the first paragraph under "bias?" - Not "my thoughts exactly" in response to the Churchill quote. XavierThunderheart (talk) 06:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 October 2023

1. Revise intro to include information from the section "World War I and aftermath (1917–20)" regarding McMahon–Hussein Correspondence in 1915. And secret side treaty with France, Sykes–Picot Agreement, reneging on the previous agreement. And also reassurances in 1918 from Britain to the arabs that their original agreement was still valid.

Change

"The history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict traces back to the late 19th century when Zionists sought to establish a homeland for the Jewish people in Ottoman-controlled Palestine. The Balfour Declaration of 1917, issued by the British government, endorsed the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, which led to an influx of Jewish immigrants to the region. "

to

"The history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict traces back to the late 19th century when Zionists sought to establish a homeland for the Jewish people in Ottoman-controlled Palestine. During World War I, the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence was formed as an agreement in 1915 with Arab leaders to grant sovereignty to Arab lands under Ottoman control to form an Arab state after the war in exchange for the Great Arab Revolt against the Ottomans. However a year later in 1916, a secret treaty known as the Sykes–Picot Agreement between the United Kingdom and France would effectively divide the Ottoman provinces outside the Arabian Peninsula into areas of British and French control and influence.

In 1917, the British government issued the Balfour Declaration to endorsed the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, which led to an influx of Jewish immigrants to the region. To reassure the Arabs of their original agreement, a special message sent on 4 January 1918 from the British Government, carried personally by Commander David George Hogarth to Sherif Hussein, stated that “the Entente Powers are determined that the Arab race shall be given full opportunity of once again forming a nation in the world … So far as Palestine is concerned, we are determined that no people shall be subject to another”. *

• https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-i-1917-1947/

2. Change section title "World War I and aftermath (1917–20)"

to

"World War I and aftermath (1915–20)"

3. Add to end of section, "World War I and aftermath (1915–20)"

"A special message (of 4 January 1918) from the British Government, carried personally by Commander David George Hogarth to Sherif Husain, stated that “the Entente Powers are determined that the Arab race shall be given full opportunity of once again forming a nation in the world … So far as Palestine is concerned, we are determined that no people shall be subject to another”.

A 1978 UN report regarding the history of Palestine, made note that "acknowledgements that the British Government had not possessed the right “to dispose of Palestine” appeared decades after the commitments to the Arabs not only had been infringed by the Sykes-Picot agreement but, in disregard of the inherent rights and the wishes of the Palestinian people, the British Government had given Zionist leaders separate assurances regarding the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people in Palestine”, an undertaking that sowed the seeds of prolonged conflict in Palestine."" *

• https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/part-i-1917-1947/ **
  • The above link to "Part I 1917-1947" is referenced at https://www.un.org/unispal/history2/origins-and-evolution-of-the-palestine-problem/, where it states that

"Part I, published in 1978, offers historical background of the question of Palestine reaching as far back as 1915. This part surveys in detail the period 1917 to 1947, during most of which Palestine was governed under a mandate granted by the League of Nations." Freerocks (talk) 20:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

This has been pending for over a month with nobody willing to review it. Deactivating as stale. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:50, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 October 2023

Please place the correct map of Palestine from the 1947 agreement. 125.209.173.220 (talk) 12:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide a replacement image. Additionally, the current map appears to be correct. Which parts of it do you believe have issues? Liu1126 (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Citation and/or clarification needed for assertion in section Intercommunal Violence in Mandatory Palestine

The phrase "lands purchased legally by Zionist agencies from absentee landlords" needs clarification and if possible citation.

What laws were invoked to establish the legality of the purchase and what was the prior ownership of the lands purchased ?

Was purchase sanctioned by approval of British laws asserted as their claim of conquest arising from WW(I) or was it granted by laws of the ottoman empire with or without consideration of the informal tenure of previous nomadic occupiers or the fellahin ?

Surely there would be outrage at mandatory acquisition of property in many countries if the people dispossessed were not favoured (sic) by groups with a strong lobbying position. DaveDCJ (talk) 01:43, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Seawolf35 (talk - email) 18:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

This was a question I had when I read the text already in the article. I was asking if anyone has any information which would clarify what was meant. I don't have any sources which would let me make any clarification. Will search and update if I can find any, but meanwhile hoped establishing this question would be a hook on which anyone with better information could hang a clarification or improvement to what is currently published. DaveDCJ (talk) 22:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Information in Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine documents that land was purchased through companies as a legal loophole to avoid the Ottoman empire laws against purchase of land by foreign Jews (see note 9 in same article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine#cite_note-Adelman2008-9) or Ottoman citizen Jews (see note 10 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine#cite_note-10). The reference to purchase from absentee landlords is obscure. The article on Jewish land purchase in Palestine refers in paragraph 6 to the split of purchases around the 1930s and gives reference in note 14 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine#cite_note-FOOTNOTEHallbrook1981364-14) but that doesn't establish that the purchases from 1880s to 1920s were from absentee landowners.

Can anyone suggest sources which would establish or refute that the land purchases were from "absentee landowners" ?

Use of that terminology implies giving legitimacy to the overall approach of the Zionist movement towards creation of Israel. Should the sentence be truncated to omit that phrase ? DaveDCJ (talk) 23:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Says 'are' and should be 'is'

the southern part of which [IS] regarded as Palestine

The bit about Ottoman Syria has parentheses and there should be 'is' instead of 'are'. 2A00:23C6:1E82:8601:A8:9D3E:E00B:E012 (talk) 05:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Is it a conflict?

There's no Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There's an Israeli occupation 197.151.112.142 (talk) 22:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Palastine vs Israel main conflict

Talking about on this topic 37.111.155.209 (talk) 06:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Biased language should be replaced and moderated.

As scribes for the history of the world in our current time, we must be diligent to record only facts and leave opinion for other publications.

As one example, the sentence, “The conflict has been marked by violence, including terrorist attacks by Palestinian militants and military operations by Israel.”, is one example. A less biased statement could be, “The conflict has been marked by violence, including militaristic attacks by both Palestinian and Israel.”

From a Palestinian point of view, Israel is both the aggressor and terrorist. BatmanA113 (talk) 15:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 June 2024

addtional = additional 2603:8000:D300:3650:6555:4BA5:D8BD:D8BA (talk) 02:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Done Sean.hoyland (talk) 03:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)