Talk:Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler Berlin

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Um, how could the Hochschule have been "the hub of the international music scene" during the Weimar Republic (1918-1933) when it wasn't founded until 1950??? Angr (talk • contribs) 22:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

• It existed prior to 1950 as the Hochschule für Musik Berlin Paradiso 03:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The article says it was the UdK that was previously the Hochschule für Musik Berlin. Angr (talk • contribs) 11:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I can resolve this. The "Weimar" reference was to the (West) Berlin College of Music, which was indeed a major conservatory during the Weimar Republic. The "German College of Music" in (East) Berlin was established in 1950 because the older "College of Music" was in the western part of the city. So I removed the reference to the Weimar-era institution: it ought to be placed in the article about the Berlin "University of the Arts" if there is one in the English Wikipedia. --langohio 00:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Ucucha 00:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hochschule für Musik "Hanns Eisler" → Academy of Music "Hanns Eisler" — to use the English-language name listed at http://www.hfmberlin.de/en/Homepage.html , per WP:COMMONNAME. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Any evidence for this name? The school's website uses "Academy of Music Hanns Eisler Berlin"[1][2]. — AjaxSmack 03:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that the translation of "Hochschule" is "High School"... that's not the same kind of institution in English. Some people have translated "Hochschule" as "University". College of Music would be something closer to Hochschule (Usually in Musikhochschules there's no research). I think it is best to leave it as it is (Hochschule für Musik "Hanns Eisler"). If the name has to changed per WP:COMMONNAME, I'd go for college.--Karljoos (talk) 13:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose on the whole - this, or something like it, may be the English name, but evidence needs to be produced that it is more commonly used in English than the original. Plenty of foreign academic institutions are better known by their original name. Johnbod (talk) 19:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose... I don't know what the wikipedia guidelines says (I leave that to the bureaucrats), but I think it's better to leave the original as that's how these institutions are better known.--Karljoos (talk) 21:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - I prefer the original name as more authentic. Hochschule is closer to Academy than to High School - but something gets lost in translation. (Sometime ago I moved Folkwang Academy to Folkwang Hochschule, which was then the name even on its English website, - now (as of 2010) it's Folkwang University) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

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Korrepetition

The German word Korrepetitor is a specific word for the pianist working with singers in opera rehearsals, instead of an expensive orchestra. The English (or rather French) is repetiteur. I am not sure that "coaching" (as in the last change) is quite the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 6 February 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hochschule für Musik "Hanns Eisler" → Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler – The name provided on the website is "Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler Berlin", without apostrophes. Seanetienne (talk) 09:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC) quotation marks, oops Seanetienne (talk) 07:11, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm certainly in favor of eradicating the quotation marks, but:

1. their logo says "Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler Berlin"
2. the page on de-wiki is Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler Berlin
3. their page in English speaks of "Hanns Eisler School of Music Berlin", but lower down calls itself as publisher "Hanns Eisler School of Music Berlin".

My point here is that I suspect we should include the "Berlin", ergo: Hochschule für Musik "Hanns Eisler" → Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler Berlin — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 14:45, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

There's a precedent with exactly same conditions (except no English name) and do not include the city: Hochschule für Musik Carl Maria von Weber. Seanetienne (talk) 16:45, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. This use of quotation marks is common in European countries but does not translate well into English. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:03, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose nominated suggestion, but support Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler Berlin, per reasoning above. We usually have the location in articles about universities. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support renaming and move as per the suggestion of JohnFromPinckney. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 26 February 2021

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 16:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

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Hochschule für Musik "Hanns Eisler" → Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler Berlin – The previous move request seemed to build consensus around this choice, rather than the one actually proposed. According to one editor in that discussion, this present proposed name appears on the subject institution's website and masthead in both English and German. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 07:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
• I still consens, I mean consent, I mean, I support this move as per my site findings and our previous discussion. The fine folks at the Hochschule have chosen this moment (wouldn't you know it) to rework their website, meaning old links are broken , but the Imprint page I mentioned before is still there, meaning here, and it still says "Berlin" in both English and German, as before. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 12:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The English-language title Hanns Eisler School of Music Berlin would be more accurate, as per WP:UE. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:44, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

According to WP:UE: "The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage, e.g. the non-anglicized titles Besançon, Søren Kierkegaard, and Göttingen are used because they predominate in English-language reliable sources." Applying this rationale, Hochschule für Musik Hanns Eisler Berlin would be the appropriate choice given the school's own usage of this name (albeit somewhat inconsistently) in English and the fact that more hits appear in search engines for this present name than an English version (175,000 vs. 118,000 hits respectively on Google). —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

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