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Misinterpretation of Leviticus

I'm surprised this has never even been mentioned. There is a website (hoperemainsonline.com) which advances the argument that the entire Abrahamic prohibition against homosexuality is based on a misreading of Leviticus 18:22. If the text is examined word-by-word in the original, we find that its meaning is by no means clear. What the text actually says is And with a male thou shalt not lie down in a woman's bed. What it seems to be considering an abomination is for two men to lie with (and presumably have sex with) the same woman on the same occasion. It doesn't mention anal intercourse with anyone.

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Requested move 12 January 2022

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Homosexuality and Judaism → Jewish views on homosexuality – More precise title that matches the content of the article. The article does not cover the comparison of Jews with homosexuals (or homophobia with antisemitism), a common frame of reference since the nineteenth century, eg.: [1][2][3][4][5] connections between queer theory and Judaism([6][7] or various books by Daniel Boyarin), sociological research of people who are both gay and Jewish[8], the role of homosexuality in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (see pinkwashing), antisemitism in LGBT movements (for example, [9]), or other interconnections between homosexuality and Judaism. I do not think it would be possible or desirable to write an article that attempts to cover all these topics, only related in a very vague sense. "And" is discouraged in article titles especially when ambiguous, and the proposed title matches similar articles (see All pages with titles containing Jewish views). (t · c) buidhe 10:09, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Colin M (talk) 20:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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Kippah or Yarmulke?

I don't know how to edit captions, but the picture of the man wearing a rainbow kippah is captioned as "A Jewish Pride participant wears a rainbow yarmulke at the 2015 Marcha Gay of Mexico City", but he's wearing a kippah. A yarmulke is longer, and sits on your head differently. Aromantic Frogge (talk) 13:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

edited Brassmonkey3212 (talk) 01:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Missing discussion of Karaite and Haymanot Judaism

This article mentions many denominations of rabbinic Judaism, but it does not address Haymanot and Karaite Judaism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.77.179.20 (talk) 13:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Leviticus 20:13 and pederasty

I'm surprised to find no mention of this, but there is an interpretation of Leviticus 20:13 that it is not about condemning homosexuality per se but rather pederasty. See for instance the article https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/redefining-leviticus-2013/ or https://www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/does-leviticus-mean-homosexuality-is-an-abomination/ or https://um-insight.net/perspectives/has-%E2%80%9Chomosexual%E2%80%9D-always-been-in-the-bible/ . I believe this would be worth at least a mention. It's not an isolated case, and these articles go back to the original text to try and clarify the issue. Surely worth a mention. 2001:8A0:7C19:2801:A9F9:1EA2:4642:66DC (talk) 23:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

God loves gay people

I'm surprised to find no mention of this, but there is an interpretation of Leviticus 20:13 that it is not about condemning homosexuality per se but rather pederasty. See for instance the article https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/redefining-leviticus-2013/ or https://www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/does-leviticus-mean-homosexuality-is-an-abomination/ or https://um-insight.net/perspectives/has-%E2%80%9Chomosexual%E2%80%9D-always-been-in-the-bible/ . I believe this would be worth at least a mention. It's not an isolated case, and these articles go back to the original text to try and clarify the issue. Surely worth a mention. 2001:8A0:7C19:2801:A9F9:1EA2:4642:66DC (talk) 23:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC) HjiSSS (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Flagellation as punishment for Lesbian activity.

Where was this punishment actually inflicted? Was it in ancient Israel, Herod's kingdom, during Roman times, in the Middle Ages, in Eastern European shtetls? In order to punish a crime, Jews would have had to have sufficient local autonomy to enforce their own laws. When and where were Lesbians legally flogged? Pascalulu88 (talk) 20:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

On YouTube a Bible scholar made the following point about apostle Paul's flagellation: flagellation was a voluntarily accepted punishment, rather than getting banned from the community, and it was more symbolical than punitive (it wasn't like from Mel Gibson's film about Jesus).

Here is a WP:RS: White, Adam G. (2017). "The Rod as Excommunication: A Possible Meaning for an Ambiguous Metaphor in 1 Corinthians 4.21". Journal for the Study of the New Testament. 39 (4): 388–411. doi:10.1177/0142064X17703283. ISSN 0142-064X. For those who wished to remain part of the community, they had no choice but to submit to such punishment, but for those who wished to leave, the community had no further hold on the person (Bolton 2013: 369).³³

Full-blown flagellation was tantamount to a death penalty. tgeorgescu (talk) 15:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. So, it was a Herodian/Roman era punishment. But do we know if any Lesbians actually were punished this way? Pascalulu88 (talk) 20:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if that happened. The Jews were probably not pleased with lesbians, but technically (halachically) it wasn't illegal. Maimonides argues lesbianism is simple indecency (like peeing in public places), and the man should slap his wife for lesbianism, but since the Bible provides no interdiction, there was no room for a penal law penalty for lesbianism. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)