Talk:Hooded plover

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The Hooded Plover (Thinornis rubricollis) is a species of bird endemic to southern Australia and Tasmania. It is medium in size for a plover, stocky, and pale in color. Its length is 190 to 230 mm (7.5–9.1 in) and its wing-span 230 to 440 mm (9.1–17.3 in). Males and females are similar in appearance. With a population of about 7,000 individuals, it is classified as vulnerable.Photo: JJ Harrison

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The Hooded Plover (Thinornis rubricollis) is a species of bird endemic to southern Australia and Tasmania. It was described in 1789. There are two subspecies, neither of which (as of 2011) is known from a population of more than 5,000 individuals.Photo: JJ Harrison

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The result of the move request was: Rename to Hooded Dotterel. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:05, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hooded Plover → Hooded Dotterel – To have consistency with IOC English names. WP Birds have a policy of using IOC names unless there is a very good reason not to. Snowman (talk) 10:51, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

• Futile complaint: It should be Hooded plover or Hooded dotterel, per WP:NCCAPS. --BDD (talk) 17:34, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

But see WP:NCCAPS#Organisms Chuunen Baka (talk • contribs) 17:52, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

The Wiki and many authorities use upper case in bird names. Snowman (talk) 19:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• Support move as proposed. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 03:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: not moved. There was a weak consensus to keep the current title, and in any case a new move move request should nit have been opened so soon after the previous one. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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Hooded Dotterel → Hooded Plover – The common name of Thinornis rubricollis is Hooded Plover, IOC's selected name (Hooded Dotterel) isn't yet a common name and the WP:BIRDS naming convention violates WP:LOCALCONSENSUS.

• Journals

• Rimmer, James M. (April 2013). "Perceptions of effectiveness and preferences for design and position of signage on Victorian beaches for the management of hooded plovers thinornis rubricollis". The Victorian Naturalist. 130 (2): 75–80. ISSN 0042-5184. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Weston, Michael A. (2005). "Parental care in Hooded Plovers (Thinornis rubricollis)". EMU. 105 (4): 283. doi:10.1071/MU04004. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Elgar, Mark A. (2007). "Responses of incubating hooded plovers (Thinornis rubricollis) to disturbance". Journal of Coastal Research. 23 (3): 569–576. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Weston, Michael A. (2005). "Disturbance to brood-rearing Hooded Plover Thinornis rubricollis: responses and consequences". Bird Conservation International. 15 (02): 193–209. doi:10.1017/S0959270905000158. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Baird, Bob (2003). "The breeding biology of Hooded Plovers, Thinornis rubricollis, on Phillip Island, Victoria". EMU. 103 (4): 323–328. doi:10.1071/MU02031. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Weston, Michael A. (2009). "Manage one beach or two? Movements and space-use of the threatened hooded plover (Thinornis rubricollis) in south-eastern Australia". Wildlife Research. 36 (4): 289. doi:10.1071/WR08084. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

• Books

• Garnett, Stephen. T (2011). The action plan for Australian birds 2010. Collingwood, Vic.: CSIRO Publishing. pp. 170–174. ISBN 9780643103689. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Bear, Emma (2000). Habitat Requirements of the Hooded Plover Thinornis Rubricollis (thesis). Hobart: University of Tasmania.
• Taylor, Sue (2012). John Gould's extinct & endangered birds of Australia. Canberra: National Library of Australia. pp. 88–91. ISBN 9780642277657.
• Geering, Andrew (2006). Shorebirds of Australia. Victoria, Australia: CSIRO Publishing. ISBN 9780643092266. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Boles, authors, Les Christidis ; Walter E. (2007). Systematics and taxonomy of Australian birds. Collingwood, Vic.: CSIRO Publishing. p. 133. ISBN 9780643065116.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
• Fraser, Ian (2013). Australian bird names a complete guide. Collingwood, Vic.: CSIRO Publishing. p. 94. ISBN 9780643104716. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Dunning, Jr, John B. (2008). CRC handbook of avian body masses (2nd ed.). Boca Raton: CRC Press. p. 104. ISBN 9781420064452.
• Doody, J. Patrick (2013). Sand dune conservation, management and restoration. Dordrecht: Springer. p. 95. ISBN 9789400747302.
• Clayton, Mark (2005). CSIRO list of Australian vertebrates : a reference with conservation status (2nd ed.). Collingwood, Vic.: CSIRO Publishing. p. 59. ISBN 9780643090750. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Thomas, Richard (2011). The complete guide to finding the birds of Australia (2nd ed.). Collingwood, Vic.: CSIRO Publishing. p. 283. ISBN 9780643097858. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

• Websites

• "Hooded Plover Thinornis rubricollis". Birdlife International.
• "Thinornis rubricollis — Hooded Plover". Department of the Environment.

• "Thinornis rubricollis rubricollis — Hooded Plover (eastern)". Department of the Environment.

• "Hooded Plover Thinornis rubricollis - critically endangered species listing". Office of Environment & Heritage. Government of New South Wales.
• "Hooded Plover". Birdlife Australia.
• "Hooded Plover, Thinornis rubricollis". Parks & Wildlife Service. Government of Tasmania.
• "Thinornis rubricollis (Gmelin, 1789)". Atlas of Living Australia.}}

Bidgee (talk) 08:47, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Oppose Better to have international rather than local names, leads to inconsistency with the name of the other member of the genus Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

• Discussion

In this case, I can go with either name. The bird is only found in Australia, so WP:LOCAL CONSENSUS is more at play, however Jimfbleak's point of having consistency in the genus should also be taken into account. As a point of reference, there are 2 names the IOC uses in the genus Charadrius. Most of the species are .... Plover, except for the Eurasian Dotterel, "Charadrius morinellus, so there is precedent should the consensus decide to change back to Hooded Plover....Pvmoutside (talk) 01:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. I support an international standard for common bird names. Hooded Dotterel is actually a more traditional common name for the bird; it was used by Gould and many others in the 19th, and for much of the 20th, centuries. In Australia 'dotterel' has been, and is often still, used for charadriids that breed within the continent rather than migrate to the Arctic, or for those not within the genus Charadrius (such as Hooded Dotterel) - hence Inland Dotterel, Red-kneed Dotterel and Black-fronted Dotterel. See also the Hoody's New Zealand congener and closest relative, the Shore Dotterel. Maias (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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Specific name

Can someone explain why the species name is now cucullatus instead of rubricollis? The name cucullatus was coined by Vieillot in 1818; the name rubricollis by Gmelin in 1789. Should the latter not therefore have priority? Ptilinopus (talk) 04:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

See here: [1]. Maias (talk) 11:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Endangered or Vulnerable ?

The article says one, the photo on the right shows the other. Somebody who knows what's going on should make a correction (not me, sorry!)LaurV (talk) 02:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 2 January 2024

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 14:38, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hooded dotterel → Hooded plover – Based on phylogenetic studies this species has been moved from the genus Thinornis to the genus Charadrius by the IOC 14.1 (and by ebird/Clements Oct 2023). At the same time IOC (who we follow) has changed the English name to "Hooded plover". Hooded plover is actually the more traditional name and is used by many other sources including ebird/Clements. Aa77zz (talk) 12:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - Apart from the IOC convention, a quick internet search shows the general preference for Hooded plover. grungaloo (talk) 01:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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