Talk:Horacio Rivero Jr.

SACLANT

Rivero was also Chief of SACLANT headquartered in Norfolk 1960-1963 or thereabouts. Needs to be mentioned. I can't find a reference. Nor can I find a clear definition of SACLANT, one of the Navy's many hugely confusing and overlapping commands - I think it included NATO. Also the timing of his promotions aren't clear. When he was SACLANT, for example, he was Vice-ADmiral (3-star).Student7 (talk) 13:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• We can't mention what can not be proofed nor sourced. Besides, the Chief of SACLANT (Supreme Allied Commander Atlantic/Commander in Chief) from 1960 - 1963, was Robert L. Dennison and from 1963 - 1965 it was Harold Page Smith. Tony the Marine (talk) 13:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Er. Exactly. That is why I didn't insert it.

You may be right about SACLANT. If you have a reference, that is missing from Robert Dennison (US Navy officer) bio.

I was at HQ from 1960-1962 and never heard of Smith which is weird. VADM Fitzhugh Lee was deputy CINCLANT etc etc. at that same time. Rivero was definitely there in a NATO-related capacity at that exact time. Please take note that I am still not inserting it. (Jimminy!). Student7 (talk) 22:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

• I made a mistake, Adm. Robert L. Dennison was Chief from from 1960 to 1963. Sorry, here is a site when Presdient John F. Kennedy presented the Distinguished Service Medal to Adm. Robert L. Dennison. Pres. Kennedy commented on Adm. Robert L. Dennison, who at the time wores four hats: SACLANT for NATO; CINCLANT, Commander of the joint Army-Navy-Air-U.S.; CINCLANTFLT, U.S. Naval Forces; CINCWESLANT, which is a dual hat within NATO of the control of the shipping organization. [1]. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe Rivero was Deputy SACLANT though he seemed to have more independence (unlike Lee) than that. He had his own HQ in his own building, which Lee didn't. Maybe somebody will stumble across a reference.Student7 (talk) 13:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Tell you what, this week I'll check it out with a friend of mine who happens to be the curator of the Naval Museum. I am interested in finding out myself. Then I will post my findings here or let you know in your talk page. Either way I hope that we'll find out. Tony the Marine (talk) 14:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Update - Admiral Rivero was vice chief of naval operations from 1961 to 1968 at the Pentagon. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

VCNO for seven years!??? That ought to be a world's record! (Who am I to argue?).Student7 (talk) 21:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I know. Ad. DeLoach, sent me the following New York Times source on the subject: [2]. He is still looking into it. Tony the Marine (talk) 21:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Hard to argue. Looks like a solid reference. Surely they would have double checked that one lead statement.

On the flip side, he was a "Democratic" admiral, waiting during a Democratic administration for a crack at CNO. They obviously trusted him and wanted to keep him on (but had their own ideas about who should be CNO.Student7 (talk) 22:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)