Talk:Houari Boumédiène/Archive 1

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Comment on "One day, millions of men will ..."

Regarding the below: I recently acted as a researcher for the book Fatal Misconception. The author, Matthew Connelly, sought to use that quote. I could not find a primary source anywhere, and I was working from the Library of Congress. The only UN conference given that year and the surrounding ones (at only one of which did Boumedienne speak) did not contain that quote in its minutes. If it was said, it was not on record. Indeed, the only places I could find as sources were white-supremacist web pages. They all contained the same quote and identical descriptions, indicating the quotes had come from a single source. I discovered this source was likely The Camp of the Saints, the racist anti-immigration book from 1973. I tried tracking down the information from the publisher to no avail. I, along with Professor Connelly, largely agreed that it was likely a fabrication. Given the date in the article, as 1974, and the publish date of 1973 for Camp of the Saints, where the quote first appeared, it seems unlikely that 1974 is the date it was said. So, I am removing it.70.17.255.130 (talk) 20:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)January 22nd 2008

Is this statement true: "One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory." -- Houari Boumédienne, in a 1974 speech to the UN??--194.241.59.203 (talk) 10:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

The statement seems to suggest that all non-Western nations dwell exclusively below the equator while the Northern Hemisphere is reserved for 'Whites'. This fact alone indicates that this 'quote' was fabricated by uneducated fear-mongering racists lacking basic knowledge of geography.--89.191.241.225 (talk) 13:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I have been looking for a source for this as well. It is clear that he held a speech to the UN, from at least one source: in the book "Algeria, Anger of the Dispossessed" of which excerpts can be read on Google Books, it is quoted: "For Boumediene in particular, symbolism was everything. Still basking in the glory of his UN speech, he wanted to show that the page was turned and that Algeria was the equal of the former colonial master". It seems urgent to find a copy of this speech or contemporary references to it, as in accordance with the above quote the text of the speech could utterly make or break Matthew Connelly's career, reputation and professorship. Also, I cannot understand how even a racist anti-immigrant book published in 1973 would make claims about what has been said in 1974, at that point in the future. I would be very interested in more details about the research of Matthew Connelly's research assistant. 158.143.136.254 (talk) 18:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Further to this I just checked the library I am sitting in - one possibly very relevant document, "Petroleum, Raw Materials and Development", Algeria, Democratic and Popular Republic of, 1974. Algiers: Sonatrach, is missing from the shelf. I am currently looking through 'Discours' for UN speeches in 1974.

And have identified a 17-page speech to the Sixth Special Session of the UN General Assembly, in 'Discours du President Boumediene, 2 Juillet 1973 - 3 Decembre 1974'. The book appears very comprehensive when it comes at least to published speeches, including interviews with journalists of foreign newspapers and speeches held at reception dinners. My initial suspicion is that Boumedienne likely did not say this, as the quotation contains accusatory "you"'s which is unusual for UN speeches, however it may be creatively interpreted/paraphrased, considering that the speech is quite counter-Western. I'll translate it and refer back, considering the question settled.158.143.136.254 (talk) 21:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

He was a great man who dedicated his whole life to free his occupied land, to build its overwhelmed post war economy and to raise its reputation amongst the other countries. Unfortunately, his successors were not able to fill the big gap left after his death. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.48.171.77 (talk • contribs) .

He has been added to List of dictators. If you disagree, please discuss it on Talk:List of dictators. Wizzy…☎ 12:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

"One day, millions of men will ...": I would want to have source for the explanation what is meant with this comment ("... however, the quote should be regarded as a testimony of..."). One wiki commentators opinion of what the guy means with a certain sentence is not fully convincing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.119.47.6 (talk) 12:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Date of birth

23 August 1932 is the official date of birth, but alternative dates appear in the literature:

• This gives 23 August 1932 but describes it as his "official" b/day, and "It has been suggested that he actually was born in 1925 or 1927."

• The Encyclopedia of the Developing World aso gives the official b/day in Heliopolis, but gives alternatives:

• 23 August 1927, in Guelma or Clauzel
• 16 August 1925, in Clauzel.

We need to say something about this uncertainty. -- JackofOz (talk) 06:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)