Talk:House of Stuart

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2018 and 4 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sdh046.

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Tautology?

"James VI & I who had become the senior genealogical claimant to The Crown holdings of the extinct House of Tudor."

Is "senior genealogical claimant" another way of saying 'heir'? In the context of royal descent, can one's claim be anything other than 'genealogical'? And isn't mention of England quite important in the context of the two Crowns?

"James VI & 1 who [on his mother's death] had become heir to Elisabeth Tudor [of England]"- Does the sentence at the top actually tell us anything more than this latter? JF42 (talk) 06:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

cleaning stuff up

I changed the clunky "King of England, Scotland and Ireland" to King of "Great Britain and Ireland" as is on the coins. Also, James II was deposed in December 1688 in Great Britain and Ireland, although he invaded Ireland the following year. Everything should be "de facto" rather than "de jure." This is because there were pretenders to the throne from 1688.

I put James VI in there twice because he was king of Scotland for 60 some odd years. Arglebargle79 (talk) 12:45, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

I added some more details about Mary of Scotland and James IV and I. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdh046 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

"Last sole ruler"

What's that supposed to mean? How was James VI not sole ruler of Scotland, especially after the death of his mother? Ian Dalziel (talk) 20:10, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I think it refers to the ruling of both Scottish ad English thrones, not the presence or absence of a co-regent. Perhaps it could be made clearer. Mediatech492 (talk) 20:38, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

But even in that sense, James ruled Scotland for thirty-five years before the Union of the Crowns. Ian Dalziel (talk) 13:51, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

So, do you have a suggestion for better wording? Mediatech492 (talk) 16:03, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

I'd re-word it if I understood what it meant. I don't see a notable sense in which it applies to Mary. Ian Dalziel (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I understand, but the fact that you cannot make sense of it does not mean that it is i wrong. Mediatech492 (talk) 15:37, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Eh? At the moment it's clearly wrong! What is it that you think it's trying to say? Ian Dalziel (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

See WP:NOTFORUM This page is for discussing how to improve the article. If you have practical suggestions for improvement then please provide them. Simply saying that it is wrong and being unable to explain why is not helpful. Mediatech492 (talk) 15:57, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I have explained why it is clearly wrong. You seem unable to explain what you think it should mean, so I'll change it to something that makes sense. Ian Dalziel (talk) 16:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Job of steward

There is a contradiction between this article, and Clan Stewart and Lord High Steward of Scotland about what the job that earned this family their name actually involved. The latter two describe or link to the job of Seneschal, i.e. the manager of a king or noble's household. This article however links to Steward_(office), which is about a regional governor or viceroy. Iapetus (talk) 11:14, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

origin of the House of Stuart

A few words concerning the origin of the House of Stuart might be apropos: Fleance, son of Banquo mentioned in "Macbeth," fled to England after the murder of his father, and there married Guenta, a daughter of Griffith, Prince of Wales, whose wife was Eadgyth (afterwards the wife of Harold II., King of England, "The last of the Saxons"), a daughter of Aelfgar, Earl of Mercia and son of Leofric de Blackwell and the celebrated Lady Godiva. Alan, son of Fleance (or Flaald, as he was also called), was the father of Walter Fitz-Alan, who became Lord High Steward of Scotland, from which dignity he took his family name of Steward (or Stewart). His descendant, Alexander Stewart, married the Princess Marjory Bruce, daughter of Robert I., King of Scotland, and their son succeeded his maternal grandfather as Robert II., of Scotland. From him came all the succeeding Kings of Scotland and of England. Upon the lands between Galloway and the Principality of Cumbria, David 1st eventually setup large-scale marcher lordships, such as Annandale for Robert de Brus, Cunningham for Hugh de Morville, and the Lordship of Strathgryfe for Walter fitz Alan. Walter had sided with Matilda. Another supporter of Matilda her uncle was David I king of Scotland from the House of Dunkeld. 2607:FB91:1018:804B:884A:4203:74A7:C727 (talk) 18:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Truncated illustration

The 3 bottom arms are not identified and the text shows 3 additional arms that are not visible. Why? Irish Melkite (talk) 00:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

I see no formatting problems. I think we'd need to know what screen size and browser you're using. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)