Talk:Kia Carnival

Added safety information

Moved to Kia Carnival, because the name Sedona is only used in the UK, USA and Canada. The car is called Carnival in the rest of the world, including South Korea, Continental Europe, South America and Australia. --Pc13 10:14, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

Modified the page slightly. Reworded intro slightly (the 2.9L diesel isn't available in all non-US markets, such as Australia). Added information to the first generation section. In Australia the Carnival went on sale in 1999, not 2002. Davez621 15:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Someone needs to add (in parentheses) miles per gallon (MPG) fuel economy ratings, in addition to the liters per kilometer fuel economy rating. I appreciate that the USA is not the whole world, but it is still a pretty substantial market, and L/KM ratings convey no information to Americans. 13:50, 22 October 2007

Kia Carnival & Sedona --> Kia Carnival

Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions#Titles states "Article titles shall bear the name used in the original market by the original manufacturer or marketer", which is South Korea so the name "Kia Carnival" should be used. OSX (talk • contributions) 06:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose: Since it is widely known as the Kia Sedona, here in the USA, prefer that both names are referenced in the article name.--Funandtrvl (talk) 07:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
• Support per convention. This isn't the US Wikipedia. PC78 (talk) 11:30, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
• Support, in this case the Carnival name is more widely used. Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) support move. Gateman1997 (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
• Support; the English Wikipedia does not revolve around the United States. RockManQ ^(talk) 01:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually to reopen this, an English only search on Google nets almost 3 times as many results for "kia sedona" than "kia carnival" making Sedona the more common name in line with the Auto Project naming convention, especially since Korea is not English speaking. It's also the only name advertised in the UK or US. I'll restart a new requested rename on this since the first one used incorrect policy to sway argument. Thanks Jenova20 07:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is no consensus here to go around the conventions at WP:WPAC. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 05:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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Kia Carnival → Kia Sedona – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC) The old requested move incorrectly states policy should use the Korean name but this is only true if that country speaks English as an indigenous language, meaning policy supports the most common English name of Kia Sedona in fact. Thanks Jenova20 07:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Some English-speaking markets, such as Australia, also use the "Carnival" name. IFCAR (talk) 14:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Good point but the Sedona name is still almost 3 times as common as the Carnival name.

Although popular in Australia it is still an uncommon name to the rest of the worldwide car market.

Thanks Jenova20 15:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

The WP:Autos naming guidelines are as follows: "Each article shall be titled with the model name used in the subject vehicle's home market, unless a single name other than the home-market name is used in English-speaking markets, and the home market is not English-speaking. In such cases, the article shall be titled with the model name used in English-speaking markets." IFCAR (talk) 13:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Support move based on wp:autos as outlined by IFCAR. a_man_alone (talk) 15:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The guidelines I outlined don't recommend a move from Carnival to Sedona, because the Sedona name is not used in all English-speaking markets. IFCAR (talk) 19:43, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Support based on being far more common around the world as Sedona than in Australia as Carnival (by almost 3 times as much)

Thanks Jenova20 08:48, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose: as per IFCAR. Australia, New Zealand and South Africa all use the "Carnival" name. It's not just a case of one market either, so WP:CARS is undoubtedly binding in this case. OSX (talk • contributions) 12:46, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand does indeed use the Carnival name.

South Africa doesn't as their own website shows - http://www.kia.co.za/#.

Thanks Jenova20 15:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I stand corrected. However, the previous model was badged "Carnival" in South Africa. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Maybe so but i think i've gone about this the wrong way.

I think it's the policy that might need changing and not every article name like this one.

If the policy allows articles to keep a name even when another name used in English speaking coutries is nearly 3 times as common/used then i believe there's a problem with that policy.

Would i take this to the auto club project discussion or somewhere else?

Thanks OSX Jenova20 12:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

The policy is there to avoid issues like "it's 1.2 times more common under this name...". Feel free to bring it up, but I would suggest you have a well thought-out draft replacement ready. While I agree with what you are saying to a degree, changing the policy will suit some articles but cause issues elsewhere.

The fact that the car is sold throughout continental Europe as the "Carnival" also shows that the name is not restricted to a handful of markets. OSX (talk • contributions) 11:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I understand your point, but a different policy will always change some articles.

If a name is more common by quite a bit, like say 3 or 4 times as much then surely an article should be titled to reflect this, rather than the current method, which i have had to use to rename a few articles that were unrecognisable (Micra, Corolla Verso etc).

It would be trivial as you say to waste time changing articles with only a slight margin more popularity but clearly it should discussed at the least.

Thanks Jenova20 12:34, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - as per naming guidelines, the whole point of which are threefold: a) to provide an easily determinable set of parameters for what to call an article. b) to thereby preemptively hinder any unnecessary moves, which only cause aggravation. The redirect should suffice for any Americentrists. c) To eliminate the boring, biased, and completely fruitless struggle for Google hits. Thank you all,  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 06:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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Third generation (2015-)

The new 2015 Kia Sedona's been revealed in New York. Here's a link to see the new Sedona. www.autoblog.com/2014/04/17/2015-kia-sedona-new-york-2014/

Merger proposal

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The result of the proposal was merge. Jgera5 (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

The Hyundai Entourage was clearly a rebadged Kia Sedona/Carnival, and wasn't in production very long. I suggest a merge into the Carnival's article, as it could adequately cover the Entourage with a brief description of the Entourage. Thanks! Jgera5 (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, it's been a week and no one commented, so I'm going through with the merge. Jgera5 (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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