Talk:ISO/IEC 5218

Use of ISO 5218 in passports

Does anyone know whether ISO 5218 is used in any passports visibly or invisibly?--Jusjih 03:35, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

https://www.google.com/search?q=%222252%22%252F2004+ISO+%225218%22 returns 0 relevant results so it's probably not part of the EU passport standard. However, considering that ISO/IEC 5218:2004 is the first version of the standard, I'll be surprised if it's not actually used in 2252/2004 - the timing is quite the coincidence, if so. Tag me if you are responding to my content or wish to notify me, because I may not be subscribed. (talk) 17:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Difference between 0 and 9

The ISO document itself reads "not applicable" for gender 9; anda ccording to http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/gdsc/html/frames/PersonGenderCurrent.htm :

• '9' 'Not Specified' means indeterminate, i.e. unable to be classified as either male or female.
• '0' 'Not Known' means that the gender of the person has not been recorded.

"Not applicable" has a different thrust to it than the previous "not specified": from reading this article I would think that a genuinely indeterminate human would end up in 0 "not known". But from the UK article and from the ISO standard I believe "it" should be encoded as 9. Xueexueg 15:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Hermaphrodites

To expand on the previous statement, a known hermaphrodite is not "not known" and not "not-applicable". To me, not known implies you do not know what the gender is - it could be male, female, or hermaphrodite. Not Applicable implies gender is not relevant. Hence, these terms do not accomodate hermaphrodites (and the various combinations thereof).Mingramh (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a little problematic that it doesn't appear to cater for the third sex. It's not like intersex humans are new, considering it's a matter of sex, rather than gender. However, "9" does apply in this case, because an intersex person is neither male nor female, and the sex is known. Tag me if you are responding to my content or wish to notify me, because I may not be subscribed. (talk) 17:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Gender

I know this is not the forum for this comment, it should go to ISO, but SEX is not the best term for this field. In English, gender would be more appropriate since sex also refers to the physical act.Mingramh (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

AFAIK words have gender, lifeforms have sex and sex_code refers to human beeings and organizations PPOST (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Life forms have both sex and gender. A male-to-female transgendered person would be of male biological sex but female gender. 67.240.138.106 (talk) 23:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

It is a gross misunderstanding (although widespread) that in biology two precisely distinct genders would exist. That is not the case. In most cases it is true, but definitely NOT in all cases. Each an every cell in the body has its own sex and cells by no means have to be all the same. And in addition to that, psychology may play a very different game. For all those reasons, German supreme court has ruled that forcing the gender classification of any German citizen into either male or female constitute a violation of that citizens constitutional rights, therefore ordered that the German law that regulates the record-keeping of german administration to register any German citizen who so chooses to be "diverse" as a third gender. Therefore ALL IT systems must adapt to that, and that means world-wide, because some day the first EU passport might be issued carrying a 'D' as gender entry. 134.247.251.245 (talk) 08:59, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Sex refers to a medical designation at birth (or, in incredibly rare cases, afterward, if the person was somehow egregiously misidentified). It's a biological characteristic. The verb is merely a colloquial truncation of "sexual intercourse". Tag me if you are responding to my content or wish to notify me, because I may not be subscribed. (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

5218:2002 version is withdrawn

Superseded by 2022 version. As always, it's not publicly available on the internet, and the text is copyrightet. https://www.iso.org/standard/81682.html 2001:A61:BE9:1401:DDF8:6419:D0FB:B763 (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)