Talk:University of Frankfurt Institute for Social Research

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Can someone disambiguate this page from the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.211.33.83 (talk • contribs) 5:01, August 16, 2008

It probably need a dis from more than just this one. I think there are many similarly named institutes... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor deserves it's own separate write-up. It is the oldest and largest social and behavioral research institute in the United States (if not the world). I'd recommend distinguishing these institute's by location. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjoanc (talk • contribs) 16:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Who founded it?

"The Institute for Social Research (Institut für Sozialforschung) was founded in 1923 by Carl Grünberg, a Marxist legal and political professor at the University of Vienna" --Frankfurt School

"Founder: Felix Weil" --Institute for Social Research —User 000 name 18:44, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 13 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved to University of Frankfurt Institute for Social Research L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:59, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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Institute for Social Research → Institute for Social Research (University of Frankfurt) – There are a number of other identically-named institutions affiliated with other universities around the world, and no reason for this particular one to be considered the primary topic (see Institute for Social Research (Norway), University of Michigan Institute for Social Research, Institute for Social Research, Ohio Northern University). I believe Institute for Social Research should become a disambiguation page. Sarcasmboy (talk) 05:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose The Frankfurt one has many more daily page views (approx. 50) than the others (low single digits). This seems to suggest prima facie that the Frankfurt one is the most commonly referred to one. A more effective solution would be to create a disambiguation page that is linked to in the hatnote of each, while retaining the current name for the Frankfurt one. Ergo Sum 00:47, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: Thank you for your response! I am curious about your thoughts on the guideline, per WP:NOPRIMARY, that "if...there is no primary topic, then the base name should lead the reader to the disambiguation page for the term." Even if the Frankfurt page is more highly visited, I don't think it qualifies as the "primary topic" among other institutions with the same name, and the guideline would suggest the base name should be the disambiguation page. The guideline seems to reserve the solution you mention for cases where the base name is the primary topic. Sarcasmboy (talk) 02:48, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, averaging 10x more daily page views qualifies as a primary topic. However, your point is well taken, and I've adjusted by comment to weak oppose. I'd be open to changing my opinion if there were additional input. Ergo Sum 03:07, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

• Support. For me, WP:NOPRIMARY is a solid guide precisely for this particular issue. Having Frankfurt take all the credit for the title shows too much leaning on that side. The disambiguation page for the "Institute for Social Research" should stand free from any particular alliance. This will relegate the Frankfurt's one to the same level as the others. Den... (talk) 01:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support Hyperbolick (talk) 13:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support the change for this page to an disambiguation page based on the fact that a similarly notable group of institutions exist. I believe the content should be renamed University of Frankfurt Institute for Social Research per WP:Article Titles, WP:UNIGUIDE and for consistency. These are generally institutes that are have their own branding but do not exist independent of their parent institution (e.g. complete autonomy). Randomeditor1000 (talk) 16:01, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

To what part of the essay WP:UNIGUIDE are you referring? And to clarify, then, you support the disambiguation page but not the move to Institute for Social Research (University of Frankfurt)?

These are generally institutes that are have their own branding but do not exist independent of their parent institution (e.g. complete autonomy). So if that's the rationale to move to University of Frankfurt Institute for Social Research, would that apply equally to, say, our article on the Home Office, which "do[es] not exist independent[ly] of" Her Majesty's Britannic Government? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 04:33, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I am specifically referring to the section on naming under WP:UNIGUIDE#Naming_conventions. You are correct that I support the disambiguation page as proposed by Sarcasmboy, however, I am recommending a different page move for the article title for consistency across all of the university articles. This approach aligns with WP:Article titles and would be specific to university related articles to ensure that readers aren't confused as to which Institute for Social Research we are referring to. To be frank, Institute for Social Research is a very generic title to the average Wikipedia reader that doesn't explain that there are multiple similarly notable institutes. Specifying and using a consistent naming convention would help clarify that this article is concerning the University of Frankfurt. A majority of organs within a university take the titular form of university, institute or institute at university in english. A comparison to a country specific organ for the government of the United Kingdom is incorrect and is an apples to oranges comparison. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose – Given the historical significance of the Frankfurt-based Institute for Social Research, the home of the famed Frankfurt School, the similarly named institutes in Oslo and Ann Arbor are, frankly, completely inconsequential by comparison. (And I say this as someone who doesn't identify with the Frankfurt School of social theory.) The institution in Ada, Ohio, is wholly irrelevant here given that it doesn't have an article and isn't even mentioned in our article on Ohio Northern University.

Just going through some of the metrics suggested by WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: this article has more mainspace non-navbox backlinks than the alternatives; as Ergo Sum pointed out, this article receives 10 times as many hits as any of the others; the Frankfurt-based institute has a long-term significance which can't be compared with the alternatives; the Frankfurt-based institute seems to come out ahead in English-language Google Scholar counts despite the fact that their scholars tend to publish in German (whereas the scholars in Ann Arbor and Oslo tend to publish in English). 142.160.89.97 (talk) 04:33, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose as nominated, but propose ALT1: University of Frankfurt Institute for Social Research.

I am unpersuaded that the Frankfurt Inst is a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so I support disambiguation. But per WP:NATURALDIS, the natural usage is preferable to the parenthetical format. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: Thank you for your response. Based on your observations re: WP:NATURALDIS and the above comments re: WP:UNIGUIDE#Naming_conventions, I agree that University of Frankfurt Institute for Social Research is an appropriate title for this article. Sarcasmboy (talk) 02:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

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it is kind of embarrassing to see these few lines. The de:Institut für Sozialforschung is very good. At least the most important names, works and terms should appear hear. It is not my field, but if noone can be found to help with the translation, I would. But with a computer translation it shouldn't be to hard. MenkinAlRire 15:30, 10 November 2023 (UTC)