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Requested move 9 February 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 19:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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It is Burning → Es brent – This Yiddish-language poem is most widely known as a song, and is listed here as a song, but there is no standard name in English. The original titled in Yiddish is Undzer shtetl brent (our town is burning) but it is far more commonly recorded as Es brent or 's brent (It's burning). FAU Judaica collection, an online archive of Jewish music, lists only one English titling "It's Burning, Bretheren, It's Burning" but 17 "Es brent" 10 "Undzer shtetl brent" 6 "S'brent" and various other Yiddish variant titles. Likewise Dartmouth Jewish sound archive gives 28 "Es brent" 6 "S'brent" 6 "Undzer shtetl brent" and various other Yiddish variants, in English two "Our town is burning" and one "It's burning" Dan Carkner (talk) 15:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Comment We generally prefer the most common English language name for the title. From what you have said it looks like that is "It's Burning", so that's probably what the title should be changed to. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Rreagan007, thanks for your comment. The examples I gave above are all for thing marketed/released for an English-language market. So I think the foreign title is the more recognizable one, that was what I was trying to say. Only one out of 50 results called it "it's burning".Dan Carkner (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

"most common", yes, but in this case "most common" is rare. Also, I Lembit Staan (talk) 13:15, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support, per most common usage. Lembit Staan (talk) 13:15, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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Yitzhak Artzi?

Is "Itzhak Artzi", the Zionist youth movement leader and Aliyah Bet activist mentioned as bringing the song into a Bucharest choir's repertoire after the war the same as the future Israeli politician "Yitzhak Artzi"? His son is a musician and the biography of Izo Hertzig/Yitzhak Artzi fits well into the story, but I cannot find a source stating it explicitely. Arminden (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Interesting question. I think I was the one who added some references this article, and I believe that includes that one. I don't know enough to say whether it's the same guy, although the political orientation, birthplace and year of emigration seem to line up. --Dan Carkner (talk) 23:13, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Dan, hi. Exactly. I looked up your source and it's not offering anything additional, other than the fact that he was active in Aliyah Bet. The various ways Itzhak is spelled in English means nothing. What I'm not sure is whether he had already adopted a Hebrew name while in Romania, which I strongly doubt, but Zionist authors don't pay much attention to such things either. I'm sure it's him, but that's not a base for placing a wikilink on the page. I guess his son & daughter would know, but I wouldn't look them up and bother them with such trivia. Although... Arminden (talk) 00:03, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

If I ever come across a confirmation of it, I will try to remember to come back and document it here! --Dan Carkner (talk) 01:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

performing Bente Kahan for Marek Edelman

Please, watch and add here a link to Bente Kahan - Undzer Shtetl Brent - YouTube - the last part of the a'capella performance of this song performed by Bente Kahan for Marek Edelman and Lechosław Goździk at the Monument to the Ghetto Heroes in Warsaw on April 19, 2006, on the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising . The grateful kiss of Marek Edelman - the vice-commander of the uprising, the last participant of the fighting living in Poland at that time - was the highest price for this singer. It was a very symbolic episode. Behind, on the sculptures they have daffodils, also from me this day. Thanks. Greetings from Poland. Regards, KKE 31.178.95.17 (talk) 13:53, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

It's nice, but keep in mind Wikipedia talk pages are meant for discussing work on the article, not a general discussion of the topic. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)