Talk:Ankō Itosu

Sources

The forms information from:

• http://www.budget.net/~dnolan/articles2.html
• http://www.ibonddesigns.com/nyshidokan/about/lineage/itosu.html
• http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/search/topic/21215-1.html
• http://www.ihadojo.com/Origins/

JimHardy

Should you use Japanese naming here? Surname first; Itosu Yasutsune (糸洲安恒). I have included the Kanji and it is read in that way. What do you think? ron Southwick 01:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed the “poomse” remark. Although “poomse” (品勢) refers to forms, it really means a “collection of objects to cultivate strength”. “Hyung”, is of course, the direct Korean translation of (型) kata. Most Korean styles doing “Anko” based forms use Hyung. The WTF uses “poomse”. ron Southwick 01:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Mergeinto

"Itosu Ankoh" is the incorrect order/formatting for Japanese names on the English Wikipedia, so any merging with Itosu Ankoh should go to Anko Itosu. Dekimasu 12:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge from "Itosu Ankoh" into Anko Itosu completed. --Scott Alter 04:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Article improvement

I cleaned up the article with regard to grammar, tone, Wikipedia style, and so on. The article lacks references for many assertions. Janggeom 03:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture

This is not a picture of Anko Itosu. This is a picture of Chomo Hanashiro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.214.193.126 (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Kinjo Hiroshi (who made the picture) stated that the person on the picture is Anko Itosu. If it's true or not, well, I can't tell. But if you compare this person with pictures of Chomo Hanashiro it is obvious that this is not Chomo Hanashiro. The head is rounder, the brow line flatter, the chin is very different and the build of this person is also different to Hanashiro's body. -- 79.240.197.38 (talk) 05:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

This is obsolete and provides no proof for the claim. Andreas Quast (talk) 14:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Shorin Ryu

Under the style section it reads that Master Itosu learnt Shorin ryu, however that style was founded in 1933, 18 years after his death. this must surely be a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joemaddx (talk • contribs) 22:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Chiang Nan

There is no evidence of the existence of a chinese kata named "Chiang Nan". Instead there is a kata name of "Channan". There are written statements by Choki Motobu (Interview with Choki Motobu, "Karate Ichiyu-Tan" by Genwa Nakasone, "Karate Kenkyu", Karate Kenkyu-sha, 1934) and Kenwa Mabuni ("Kobo Kenpo Karatedo Nyumon" by Kenwa Mabuni, 1938), both contemporaries of Itosu and his students at different times, that these "Channan" are in fact the Pinan kata. It is the old name Itosu gave to the kata series. Both names have been used interchangeably by the early schools (Mabuni 1938). One example of it is Matsumura Seito which has the first two Pinan in its curriculum sometimes named as Channan Shodan and Nidan, but more recently as Pinan Shodan and Nidan. This may have caused some confusion and may be the origin of the myth that there was or were kata named "Channan" from which the Pinan were created. The Pinan kata were definitely made from Kushanku (you can find most moves in that kata) and seemingly has some portions of the Naihanchi kata aswell – so you can find everything in known kata which Itosu knew aswell. Using Occam's razor, "Channan" seems to be an evolutionary step in the creation of the Pinan kata and not a distinct kata, rendering absurd the statement made in the article. -- 79.240.197.38 (talk) 05:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Chang'an (常安)

The Tang (唐) Dynasty capital city was called 'Chang'an': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang'an . Tang (唐) being the original kanji used in karate (唐手) (Tang hand) prior to it's introduction to Japan.

Itosu was a scholar of classical Chinese, it's far more likely that he simply named his kata after the city. The name Chang'an (常安) translates to english as "perpetual peace".

It's also likely that the replacement name for the Pinan/Ping'an katas, having been created before the introduction to Japan, should be translated using Chinese and not Japanese... Ping'an (平安) translating as 'safe and sound' from the Chinese rather than "peace and tranquillity" from the Japanese.

As such, it seems the katas might be given far more consideration rather than just as beginner/children's katas.

131.228.216.131 (talk) 10:25, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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The image of Anko Itosu

As per a news article issued by the Okinawa Karate Information Center in 2019 [1], the image that has been circulated for the past 15 years of Itosu, the one used in the article, is not correct, the analysis of this is in the aforementioned link and is quite clear. I advise that the image of Itosu is taken off this article and that a query is placed on that wikimedia commons picture, which seems to be of Miyake Sango. It doesn't seem that there is an image of Itosu that is verified. Mountaincirque^talk 09:08, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

There is another excerpt on this from the Okinawa Times in 2019 on this here [2], confirming the above. Does this image need a re-title based on this as a couple of good sources (OKIC and Okinawa Times) have both reported that this image is definitively not Itosu. Mountaincirque^talk 09:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, someone changes back the photo of Itosu Anko to that of Miyake Sango.

I have now uploaded the image "Miyake Sango.png" together with information.

The picture in Wikimedia commons called "Itosu Anko.jpg" is obsolete since 2019, and the file name need be corrected to "Miyake Sango" as well to prevent further misinformation.

Thanks Andreas Quast (talk) 14:11, 12 August 2023 (UTC)