Talk:Jörg Widmann/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Aza24 (talk · contribs) 03:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy to review this – sorry it's been waiting in queue so long. Aza24 (talk) 03:23, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Assessment

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• [1] copyright detector looks good Aza24 (talk) 03:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• Why include the birth year in the lead but not the Education and career section? Doing so would remove the reference from the lead as well
  •  Done Grimes2 (talk) 12:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
• the links for the first sentence are excessive, see WP:OVERLINK; the only one that really needs to go is the link to Germany, the others can stay if you insit
  •  Done
• The lead is, however, missing some important links, Classical and Romantic should be linked to their respective movements; [[Barenboim–Said Akademie] should be linked; how can be the composition professor of an entire town (Freiburg) – what is the specific university? – spell it out in the lead and link please
  •  Done
• He lives and works in Berlin and Munich. – if he works in Barenboim–Said Akademie of Berlin, where does he work in Munich? I'm also not sure this line is even necessary, you already say where he works in the next line, where he leaves seem implied as well
  • He composes in Munich.
• The phrasing His music is in part inspired by Classical and Romantic composers. doesn't really mean anything – every composer alive today is "in part inspired by Classical and Romantic composers" – can you be more specific with what his inspiration is?
  • Try to use othe wording.
• He later studied with – which one, composition or clarinet (you've brought up both in the two sentences before)? if the former, I'd go with "he later continued composition with..."
  • composition  Done
• Do we know when he studied at Hochschule für Musik und Theater München or Juilliard?
  • Yes, dates added.  Done
• After graduating with a Master's from Munich in 1997 is confusing; I'm assuming you're talking about from Hochschule für Musik und Theater München, but the German name isn't going to be clear that this is what's being referred to
  • He interupted his study in Munich to go to New York's Juilliard.
• When did he graduate from Juilliard? You mention the Hochschule für Musik und Theater München and then Juilliard (making it seem like he went to Hochschule für Musik und Theater München first) but say he graduated from Munich, making it seem like he went to Hochschule für Musik und Theater München second
  • He didn't graduate in Juilliard.
• What is a "demi-Professor of Composition"?
  • part time  Done
• link Institute for New Music at the University of Music Freiburg
  • no link available
• The (2011–2017: Principal Guest Conductor and Artistic Partner) seems to contradict what was just said?
  • He was ***guest*** conductor before.
• "Since 2017" should have a comma after it; and having "Since 2017" beginning a sentence twice in a row is surely not ideal, try to change one of them
• it is weird that the premiered in June 2005 by the Munich Philharmonic under Christian Thielemann isn't in parenthesis like the other premieres
  •  Done
• Widmann's core repertoire as clarinetist includes Boulez Dialogue de l'ombre double, which he performed on Boulez's 85th birthday in Paris. would make far more sense in the first paragraph about his clarinet career
  •  Done
• premiered in 2003 by the Arditti Quartet it's not clear which quartets this is referring to
  •  Done
• I noticed you include premieres for all of the quartets except the first?
  • not known
• On 13 August 2009, Holliger performed Widmann's oboe concerto, commissioned by the festival. shouldn't this be put before the Rechant premiere in September?
• Likewise "Am Anfang" by Anselm Kiefer and Widmann was premiered in July 2009 as part of the 20th anniversary of the Opéra Bastille, in which Widmann acted as composer, clarinettist and made his debut as conductor. should be early, for chronology sake
  •  Done
• What is the instrumentation for empty space?
  •  Done
• I must say, the prose for the Musical works and performances section is significantly better than the lead and education section, good work

MOS

• In my mind, it would make some sense to try and separate his activities as a clarinetist from composer a little more; perhaps move that first paragraph into a different "clarinet career" section or something
  •  Done
• "Music" doesn't really describe the section in the best way possible I think. What about something like "Style" or "Musical style"?
  •  Done
• The "Writings" section should be above the References one, since those are by him – it's a WP:MOS thing
  •  Done

Operas

• Seems like a glaring omission, nothing about his two operas? (Babylon & Das Gesicht im Spiegel)
  • The operas have own articles, added to lead now.

Lead

Coming back to this now, I think it would benefit from one or two more sentences; perhaps include his more notable compositions (especially the ones with WP articles) and awards. You could also include some of his more important associations. Aza24 (talk) 04:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

• compositions added, the awards are not extremly notable.

Sources

• From a glance everything looks good, though I'll try to look closer tomorrow or sometime soon. Good work overall! Aza24 (talk) 04:31, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Grimes2 (talk) 12:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
• The sources look fine; there are some retrieval dates missing but the article is certainly GA standard now so I'll be passing anyways. Congrats! Aza24 (talk) 20:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)