Talk:Jane Fonda/Archive 2

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her mentioning her rape

Is there a transcript anywhere? Ample news coverage for her talking about it in an interview. [1] This is an important part of her biography so should be added somewhere. Dream Focus 21:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Recent edits (May 2017)

I've reverted a couple additions of trivial information, such as the fact that she had a dinner out, she bought a house, she is again harangued by Vietnam vets (this is routine, and already covered elsewhere in the article). The additions were nonencyclopedic and generally uninformative; some were also cited to gossip sections of non-RS sources like the Daily Mail, etc. Xenophrenic (talk) 18:45, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I immediately removed the one piece of content and citation of the Daily Mail when it was first brought to my attention by Xenophrenic. If this were truly about the concern for the Daily Mail I would like to know why reference #128 continues listed as a citation on this page. The other information I inputted is relevant, mostly expanding on other information provided, and backed by legit sources. The 'trivial' accusation for listing a new residency under personal life doesn't make sense either as most celebrities, even politicians have information containing even more details on their Wikipedia page regarding their residence. The 2010 content about a movie controversy was not the same controversy mentioned later in the article. DMGUSA —Preceding undated comment added 09:09, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Violations of WP:MULTIPLE – socking by DMGUSA
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
It appears as though the Daily Mail was never cited by DMGUSA. And if so, why didn't Xenophrenic just remove that one reference manually? The information provided by DMGUSA was not unreasonable and helped dilate upon the material that was already given and helped provide new information that was lacking. The "dinner out" was promptly removed by the user when it was brought to their attention. These look like old complaints coming from Xenophrenic that were quickly tended to by DMGUSA. CloudGrown (talk) 17 May 2017 (CST) I have made the appropriate (and in one single instance necessary) changes to DMGUSA's work on the article of Jane Fonda with Xenophrenic's concerns in mind. FanofGraceandFrankie —Preceding undated comment added 11:08, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I've removed the Daily Mail citation that you pointed out. I've also re-removed the trivia, and your "controversy" additions, which were already covered elsewhere in the article. I disagree with your assertion that a handful of disgruntled Vietnam vets protesting her getting a role in "Movie XYZ" is "not the same controversy" as when a handful of vets protested her getting a role in "Movie ABC". Yeah, it really is the same controversy. Xenophrenic (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

She does not actually regret being Hanoi Jane and she has said as such.

In this interview last year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkHyAtF4ZbU), she said she does not regret what she did because she likes to stick up for the "underdog." Since this contradicts the whole tone of the Hanoi Jane regrets section, it might be noteworthy. 24.184.166.109 (talk) 14:52, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

No. You are synthesizing a conclusion that was not explicitly stated by any source. Binksternet (talk) 15:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

No. I think you just didn't pay attention to the video. The question, first of all, was COMPLETELY explicit. "Do you think your very public political views in the 60's, had a negative impact on your career and do you regret airing them." Her trip to Hanoi was in 1972, but the interviewer is obviously referring to that. She then talks about multiple decades, THEN says, "And do I, NO." She underlines that she's referring specifically to her actions during Vietnam, which was the direct question, by saying she had her passion for underdogs and that "artists speak truth to power." Please explain how that can be referring to ANYTHING but her actions in the 60's, which she was explicitly asked about. And if you can't watch the actual source in the future before you question someone's quoting of it. 24.184.166.109 (talk) 22:22, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I think a proper definition is in order of what constitute these rather garbled and jumbled charges levelled against her for having been "Hanoi Jane" and what they are actually made of. Is it that she was against the Vietnam war? Is it the fact that she documented the war by going over there? Is it that she sat on that anti-aircraft gun because she was exhausted and they were singing a song for her? It's my impression that you are willfully conflating all these things and pin your own made-up meanings and connotations to all of them in order to be able to insult her as "Hanoi Jane" or something. --2003:71:4F76:816:306C:203D:53BF:B6FF (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Early films

Perhaps her first film was “Walk on The Wild Side”. It was released in 1962 Dalegperry (talk) 13:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2018 birth_name = Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda

NOW:

| birth_name = Jane Seymour Fonda

CHANGE:

| birth_name = Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda

REFERENCE:

• "Jane was christened Lady Jane Seymour Fonda, and called 'Lady' until she was eight"

• https://www.theguardian.com/film/1999/dec/05/1

• "They named me Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda. "Lady"! That was actually what the called me! Later, when I went to school, the cloth name tapes that had to be sewn onto my collar read LADY FONDA. Apparently I was related to Lady Jane Seymour, third wife of Henry VIII, on my mother's side."

- Jane Fonda (on 'Jimmy Kimmel Live' Monday 15 Sep 2014)

• https://www.aol.com/article/2014/09/16/jane-fonda-not-born-jane-fonda-given-name-jimmy-kimmel/20962891/

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jane_Fonda/Archive_1#Lady_Jane_Seymour_Fonda
• https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q41142
• http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article/155234%7C0/Jane-Fonda-Profile.html
• https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/05/09/queen-jane-approximately
• https://variety.com/2013/film/people-news/jane-fonda-cements-place-at-chinese-theater-1200375021/
• http://www.allocine.fr/personne/fichepersonne_gen_cpersonne=1339.html
• https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/15/us/jane-fonda-fast-facts/index.html
• https://www.goldenglobes.com/classic/jane-fonda-8915
• http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2005-05-20/entertainment/0505190391_1_jane-fonda-movie-crash-life
• https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6YoAAOSwNchaLVgW/s-l1600.jpg

• https://www.ebay.com/itm/142915143317

• Fonda, Jane (5 April 2005). "My Life So Far (with Bonus Content)". Random House Publishing Group – via Google Books. They named me Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda. "Lady"! That was actually what they called me! Later, when I ...
• http://www.countyhistorian.com/cecilweb/index.php/Jane_Fonda
• http://countyhistorian.com/cecilweb/index.php/Henry_Jaynes_Fonda

69.181.23.220 (talk) 21:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. I wouldn't trust the Guardian more than a thorough biographer. The best quality book sources we have say that she was christened Jane Seymour Fonda but called Lady by her family and friends when she was very young. For instance, Bill Davidson wrote about this in his 1990 book Jane Fonda: An Intimate Biography, and Michael Freedland said the same thing in the 1988 book Jane Fonda: A Biography. Peter Collier talked about this in the 1992 book The Fondas: A Hollywood Dynasty. The labels on her clothing certainly said "Lady Fonda" (also "Lady Jane" in some sources), but this did not reflect an official name on the birth certificate or christening record. By the age of six she had put a stop the to the practice of calling her Lady, announcing that she wished only to be called by her name Jane. Binksternet (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

So, statements, spoken and written, by "Jane Seymour Fonda" are not considered ?

69.181.23.220 (talk) 23:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

What she wrote in her book was the following, "They named me Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda. 'Lady'! That was actually what they called me!" This is not her saying that her birth name was Lady, just that her family used the familiar name Lady, called her Lady as a nickname. Also, the 'y' spelling of Jayne was a style taken from her father Henry Jaynes Fonda's side of the family, but is not represented in the baby's christening name. Henry Fonda wrote a telegram to a film producer friend announcing his newborn daughter, using the spelling Jayne, but the infant's name was Jane, without the wye. Binksternet (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Hhkohh (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I have found a source online (goldenglobes.com) that gives her full birth name as "Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda". Shouldn't the article reflect that truth? 18:53, 12 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alaska4Me2 (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2018

NOW:

<blockquote>"I was raised in the ‘50s. I was taught by my father [actor Henry Fonda] that how I looked was all that mattered, frankly. He was a good man, and I was mad for him, but he sent messages to me that fathers should not send: Unless you look perfect, you're not going to be loved."</blockquote>

CHANGE:

<blockquote>"I was raised in the ‘50s. I was taught by my father [actor Henry Fonda] that how I looked was all that mattered, frankly. He was a good man, and I was mad for him, but he sent messages to me that fathers should not send: Unless you look perfect, you're not going to be loved."<br><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/news/a769/jane-fonda-interview/|title=Becoming Jane: The Interview|author=|date=4 August 2011|website=harpersbazaar.com|accessdate=22 September 2018}}</ref></blockquote> 69.181.23.220 (talk) 23:21, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Hhkohh (talk) 17:49, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

origin of her name

While Jane Fonda may be related to the Queen Jane Seymour, her mother's maiden name was Seymour. It seems much more likely to me that Jane's middle name was from her mother's maiden name, not that she was named after some remote relative from 400 years earlier. 209.179.41.20 (talk) 22:47, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Obvious Bullshit, Fonda's Block Paragraph Dominates Issue

Why is Fonda's obviously-bullshit spin on the events in Hanoi allowed? Unmediated, interested primary sources are often excised here. Allowing her to dominate the issue with a tidal wave of text almost larger than the objective description of events provides the reader with a biased perspective, not a neutral one.

We have photographic evidence of her looking in the sight aperture of the anti-aircraft battery while wearing articles of North Vietnamese military equipment. You can clearly see her press attache in frame holding several microphones and what appears to be a light meter (?) 2 feet from her face. The assertion that this just happened, and she didn't know she was participating in North Vietnamese military propaganda beggars belief. She:

1. Intentionally went to a country at war with the united states. Don't normalize this or try to frame it with some preamble about hundreds of other leaders doing it. It isn't normal. 2. Put on elements of their uniform and military equipment. Which you would maybe know not to do if it were your job to be a public personality. 3. Knowingly allowed herself to be photographed by professionals with professional equipment (in frame). 4. Touched, and pretended to use the sight aperture of the equipment for killing Americans.

Really there's nothing more she could have done with a live weapon that enemy soldiers would have allowed her to do for safety reasons. Her profession literally is presenting herself to millions of people for a living. She was tired. I've never been so tired that I accidentally ended up taking propaganda photographs with a communist dictatorship! LOL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.15.182 (talk) 20:12, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2020

"On December 13, Sally Field was arrested.[132]"

Please change the sentence to something like "On December 13, she was arrested with Sally Field." Until I looked at the citation, I thought it was saying only that Sally Field was arrested, and I started to write an edit request saying "please delete this sentence because what other people do doesn't matter for this article." 208.95.49.53 (talk) 13:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. To reply, copy and paste this: {{replyto|Can I Log In}}(Talk) 20:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I quote what I already said: "On December 13, she was arrested with Sally Field." How much clearer can I be? 208.95.49.53 (talk) 14:45, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Your original edit request was perfectly clear, don't know what our colleage is referring to . I have removed this sentence since the source only mentioned Sally Field and did not mention Fonda being arrested with her, so as you said at the end of your first post this is not relevant enough to mention. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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Visit to Ireland, 1976

Curious, that there is no mention of this; see such sources as Irish News, Belfast Telegraph, Irish Times, [2], Independent, etc. It dovetails with her political activism, even without the (bizarre) blood/fingers discussion. 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:C1C7:EE15:C743:461A (talk) 11:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Paris period (60s)

I just watched a French TV interview where she talks about her first political protest being in France, against the French war in Vietnam (First Indochina War), following Simone Signoret and Jean-Paul Sartre in these process. Significant in this character building. Tv show was C à vous of today. Yug (talk) 18:20, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

She would split this article's "other works" section into an article of its own?

I believe it would be a good idea to split the other works section of the Jane Fonda article to an article of its own, possibly Other works of Jane Fonda as I believe meets to census for size and notability, and looks messy as a section in this article. Samuelloveslennonstella (talk) 05:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Life orientation

Political Activism 41.113.184.115 (talk) 19:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Life orientation

Political Activism Grade 10 41.113.184.115 (talk) 19:36, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Who is Gloria Ann Goodwill Watson?

.. 74.196.196.192 (talk) 01:34, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Vietnam war protest

No mention whatsoever about the Hanoi Jane nickname, its backstory & the outcry it caused, and her expressed regret about it? 67.171.177.240 (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

It's in there, read it again. Schazjmd (talk) 21:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Recent comment on abortion

This may or may not be useful to improving the article. I'd be curious to hear what others think.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jane-fondas-murder-quip-on-abortion-rights-sparks-right-wing-outrage

SquirrelHill1971 (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Daily Beast isn't suitable for BLP topics. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. Binksternet (talk) 23:17, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

If every quip made by every notable person on every talk show was included in wikipedia that would be little room for anything else. Whether the Beast is a good source doesn't matter because this event is not encyclopedic. Carptrash (talk) 23:31, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

No mention of acting awards in Awards section??

This person is elite in their field, with two Oscar wins amongst a host of others. The second sentence of the lede is a good summary of this. Please can a summary of List of awards and nominations received by Jane Fonda be added to the Awards section? Thanks 11:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC) 51.37.120.41 (talk) 11:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Birth name Lady Jayne Seymour Fonda

According to Britannica.com, biography.com, her interview on Jimmy Kimmel, cnn fast facts. 73.84.210.208 (talk) 18:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Nope. She was named Jane Seymour Fonda, and her family called her Lady Jane as a nickname. The strange spelling of "Jayne" is not official. Bill Davidson wrote about this stuff in his 1990 book Jane Fonda: An Intimate Biography, and Michael Freedland said the same thing in the 1988 book Jane Fonda: A Biography. Peter Collier talked about this in the 1992 book The Fondas: A Hollywood Dynasty. Wikipedia relies more on WP:SECONDARY sources than on primary interviews. Binksternet (talk) 19:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

For more details, see Talk:Jane_Fonda/Archive_2#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_22_September_2018_birth_name_=_Lady_Jayne_Seymour_Fonda Schazjmd (talk) 19:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)