Talk:Jennifer Paull

Removal of Clean-Up tags

I noticed that some of the clean-up tags on this article (not placed by me) have been removed. They signalled important problems with this article that need to be addressed. The referencing is completely inadequate for the claims made. This article needs independent, verifiable, and reputable sources. Not simply links to the web site of the subject's own company. For example, the quote by Léon Goossens needs to state where it was published, and the date of publication. If it was a broadcast interview, then it requires the name of the programme and the date of the broadcast. Likewise this quote from Paull:

"The lens through which I view my subject is one of a musician who delights in the juxtaposition and oneness of all of the Arts: their comparison to my own and the very lack of separation and division between."

needs a citation. Where did it come from? Where was it published?

It also has an inappropriate tone for an encyclopedia article and reads more like a promotional press release or a 'puff piece' (simply removing the "advert tag" doesn't change that). The article does not maintain a neutral point of view, cites no reliable secondary or tertiary references for the claims made, and contains personal opinions and reflections. Here are two examples:

Her writing clearly shows that it is her cosmopolitan background and artistic liberal free-thinking that has influenced her development as a musician/author/educator much more than the conventional musical education she received with high honours. Disciplinary narrowness is something she rejects: the links between the Arts being sadly overlooked in conventional pedagogy. Autonomy of expression in original fields hitherto overlooked has been her chosen direction.

and

"Before her there was no contemporary oboe d'amore specialist. She led the way in this field. As an author, it is again her own voice that she expresses, free of the restrictions and limitations of one discipline. Jennifer Paull is a dedicated comparative artist."

This article has other less pressing problems, which should nevertheless be addressed eventually:

• the excessive use of links to external websites within the article. If they are purely informational, then links to their articles in Wikipedia should be used instead. If they add nothing significant to the biography of the subject, then they should be removed. If they add significant information about the article's subject or about highly relevant background information, then they should appear in an external links section or as footnotes. If they are being used as a reference for statements made in the article, they should appear as proper citations.
• The section on Paull's writings should have full bibliographic information, even if copies are not available on line. For example, "Magazine of the International Double Reed Society (membership required to view articles online)" is distinctly uninformative. What is(are) the article titles and dates of publication? Or "Music & Vision Daily, online classical music magazine (search on "Paull")". The names of the selected article and date of publication in addition to the name of the publication need to be given along with a direct link to the article. The reader should not have to do this work. e.g.
  • Jennifer I. Paull, 'Cathy Berberian - Never Knowlingly Misunderstood', Music and Vision Daily, August 18, 2005

To the article's sole author, you'll find the following guidelines will help you improve this article:

• Wikipedia:Neutral point of view
• Wikipedia:Verifiability
• Wikipedia:Citing sources
• Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms
• Wikipedia:No original research
• Wikipedia:External links

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 16:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I've doing some further clean-ups and tightened wordings. As it is now I don't think the article is particularly biased (any more). Concerning the use of references to online resources without free access I draw the attention to numerous composer articles referring to Grove Music Online requiring subscription. In this context reliability is secured through references to a generally assumed, musicologically well researched source. Wikipedia users can verify that themselves by acquiring access like they would also need to do with the articles referenced from the International Double Reed Society

Greetings --Reccmo (talk) 23:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

That's fine as long as those sources are cited; this article does not cite the Grove. I've removed the text about the self-published book, which may count as self-promotion and is not relevant to article about Paull's oboe playing. Millstream3 (talk) 13:47, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I've reintroduced a section 'writings' with a {{cite book}} specified reference to Jennifer Paul's Cathy Berberian monography. This book is an essential source for J.P.'s role as author. I've - once again - removed the reference to J.P. as synaesthete, for which I have no suitable quotations. With no missing citations left in the article I've - again - commented out the flag on missing citations - Reccmo (talk) 22:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Like-a-Resume tag

With the present state of the article I don't find that tag justified. So I'll comment out that tag now.

--Reccmo (talk) 20:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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