Talk:Johann Nepomuk Maelzel

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The Turk

Does anyone know where John Gaughan's rebilt Turk can be viewed? I have read about past exhibits.

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was consensus is to move to non-umlaut spelling (English spelling).--RegentsPark (My narrowboat) 21:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Johann Nepomuk Mälzel → Johann Nepomuk Maelzel — Why is this page not at Maelzel, the invariable English spelling? All the links use it, and his own spelling varied between Maelzel and Mälzl, not this compromise, Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Survey

• Support as nom. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
• Support. Maelzel has the support of Britannica and Encarta, which do not have a blanket policy of expanding or omitting umlauts (cf. Günter Grass, for example). Thus, authoritative sources, or at least these two, offer evidence that in English, the name is written Maelzel.--Atemperman (talk) 04:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Enough uses in English to go with the native spelling. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
• Support per nom. it is by far the more common English referenced form. In response to Deacon of Pndapetzim, Mälzel is not the native spelling. --Bejnar (talk) 22:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

• Tell that to the good people at German wikipedia. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 23:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

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Rewrite

I have tried a rewrite of this article based on material in Appletons' and scattered translations from the German Wikipedia page. I left out substantial material which was already covered on The Turk. With Appleton's, new material on the "Conflagration of Moscow" was introduced, an important aspect of his show. Besides the Conflagration, I think an important contribution of the rewrite is that it is now referenced, though the issue has been side-stepped to a small extent by using translated material. At least now I think it is firmly shown where all the material comes from, and hopefully that trend will continue. I didn't link the Conflagration. I wonder if it is possible and how it fits in with other panorama type exhibitions in the early United States and how well these are covered on Wikipedia. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 19:09, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

more changes

I did some more research and some had to be changed. Please do fix spelling and style, I am not a native speaker.

On the English wiki about this subject it looks like most information is put in a different light. Especially the matter that Mälzel should have soled then bay back again is not correct. I find one book that explains this circumstance but without quoting sources. And even in this book Mälzel had not to pay for getting the chess player back.

"We must here pass rapidly over a rather long interval of time, at the end of which we find the Automaton Chessplayer at the court of Eugene Beauharnois, then King of Bavaria. Preceded by its colossal reputation, our figure (the property then of M.Maelzel, [...]), fully sustained his well-won fame. Eugene was fond of chess, and money was of little object. He could not resist the temptation of acquiring the secret which had set the wits of the world at defiance for so many years; and, for the second time, was the Automaton Chess-player sold, like n slave, for a price. Thirty-thousand francs were asked by the proprietor, and this sum was unhesitatingly paid by Prince Eugene for the machine and its key. And now the moment has arrived when the treasured mystery of De Kempelen is to be again opened at the golden bidding of royalty. The veil is about to be raised, and the cariosity of the king to be giatified. [...] The prince is alone wilh the demonstrator; the latter, unhesitatingly and in silence, ftings open simultaneously all the doors of the chest; and Prince Eugene saw—what he saw!"

Fraser's magazine for town and country, Band 19, 1839, Seite 725-726 Online "Mr. Maelzel, who had already experienced some regret at parting with his protegi, requested the favour to be again reinstated in the charge, promising to pay Eugene (he interest of the thirty thousand francs Mr. M. hod pocketed. This proposition was graciously conceded by the gallant Beauharnois, and Maelzel thus had the satisfaction of finding he had made a tolerably good bargain, getting literally the money for nothing at all! Leaving Bavaria with the Automaton, Maelzel was once more en ramie, as travelling showman of the wooden genius. Other automata were adopted into the family, and a handsome income was realised by their ingenious proprietor. Himself an inferior player, he called the assistance of first-rale talent to the field as his ally. On limits compel us to skip over some interval of time here, during which M. Boncourt (we believe) was Slaelzel's chef in Paris, where the machine was received with all its former favour; and we take up the subject in 1819, when Maelzel again appeared with the Chess Automaton in London." Online--Jpascher (talk) 15:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

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