Talk:John Edward Brownlee sex scandal

Birth control pills

"the birth control pills she was taking", in 1933?--Grahame (talk) 01:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

In the section Vivian Macmillan's story, she claimed Brownlee gave her pills purported to prevent pregnancy. I agree that perhaps it should not be later written as "birth control pills", but perhaps as "the pills she claimed Brownlee has given her" or such. As such pills were only legally produced in the 60s (the research only starting in the 30s), this was another contradiction to her tale that is not reflected in the article (per the GA review above). Foster's biography of Brownlee pointed this out on page 266, so this could be rectified on Sarcasticidealist's later updates. Jappalang (talk) 02:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

You are right I missed the original claim, but it should probably make clear the strangeness of the claim.--Grahame (talk) 03:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Duly noted - I'll take a look at fixing that up tomorrow. Thanks! Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Syntax

"She had, she testified, relented..." Firstly, there's no reason for this involuted syntax ("She testified that she had...") Secondly, and more important, this isn't what 'relented' means. PiCo (talk) 07:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair point on the first one - I have a gift for making things unnecessarily convoluted. You're mistaken on the second, more important, point, though: "to cease resistance: give in". Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 09:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Article name

Why is this at John Brownlee sex scandal when the man himself is at John Edward Brownlee? How is he normally referred to? Timrollpickering (talk) 08:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

He's more commonly referred to as "John Brownlee". The "Edward" is only there for disambiguation purposes. Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 09:00, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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Article flow

There's a couple of awkward spots.

Towards the end of the Vivian MacMillan's story section is a sentence that ends with "but continued the affair until July 5, the night of the fateful drive." Fateful drive? I searched the article for "July" and found the "drive" is mentioned three paragraphs further down in the John Brownlee's story section. Even in reading that later paragraph it's not clear why the July 5th drive was called "fateful." It seems it was public that Brownlee and MacMillan would have known each other. She lived in his house briefly. Maybe in that era a young woman was not supposed to be in a man's car at all?

The paragraph about the "fateful drive" starts out with "He acknowledged that he had been driving MacMillan around the evening of July 5, 1933, when he was followed by Caldwell and MacLean, ..." Caldwell I remembered but who is MacLean? A casual skim of the article does not reveal what his role is. I get the impression he was a lawyer presenting someone who sued Brownlee. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

The drive and Neil MacLean are both introduced in the third paragraph of the "background" section. I'm open to changes in wording, and inclined to agree with you about "fateful", but by the time the reader reaches "Vivian MacMillan's story", both MacLean and the drive have been explained. Steve Smith (talk) 21:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

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