Talk:John Murphy (sanatorium operator)

The second paragraph of this article is awful, and really needs serious editing. We have thousands of articles on performers of various sorts, and I can't recall seeing any other that largely consist of a mundane list of every place the person appeared. Why are we doing that here? And why on Earth does the paragraph end with a series of 22 footnotes? That's got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on Wikipedia, and that's saying something. -R. fiend (talk) 19:01, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

OK. First of all, let's not fight over this. Props for you for coming to the talk page, but the onus is still on you to convince us that your edits are an improvement, so per WP:BRD I have reverted you again, and let's talk about this.

OK, moving on the merits. As to the first point, fine. You have a point and so I converted all those refs into one huge ref, which does make the article look nicer, although it's a little more daunting if the reader really wants to drill down into the refs. Unfortunately I don't have a single book or like ref which contains all this info in one place. (Alternatively I suppose we could just point the reader to the Legacy of Wrestling main page (where much, although not all, of this material is ref'd) and let her wander through there on her own. Dunno. Maybe that would have been, or would be, better. I acquired the URLs in doing the original research so hate to just throw them away tho.)

But it's a fair point. Looks better now and thank you for the suggestion. If you think all the Legacy of Wrestling ref's should just point to the main page we can talk about that.

The purpose of the refs is, of course, to support the materal.

The refs that are sprinkled within the paragraph are to support particular statements within the paragaph that are not specificallhy about Murphy -- that the Mosque was indeed a roller rink, that the Royal Windsor Palace was indeed at 66th Street and Broadway (something that was not too easy to determine), that the Camden Convention Hall on was the one on Line Street (there was a different Convention Hall on another street in Camden at another time) and so on. The large body of refs at the end of the paragraph establish (to the extent that one trusts them) that Murphy appeared at the places described. Sprinkling these, also, throughout the paragraph would have made for many refs appearing in the running the text, to the extent that it would interfere with smooth reading of the text, I think.

However, it would have made it made it much easier for the reader to check the ref on a particular statement. If the reader wanted to establish that Murphy did indeed appear at the Rex Arena (maybe she is writing an article or school report on the Rex Arena or whatever), lumping all the refs together makes that a lot more work. Oh well. Tradeoffs.

Not having these refs in not an option, I don't think. I don't think we want to be saying things like "Murphy appeared at the Fort Hamilton Arena" without giving a ref for that if we have one. If we didn't have one that might be different, but to throw away an existing ref that's already in the article... we do not want to be doing that IMO.

As to your second point -- that listing all these venues is just too much detail -- I'd say: enh. It's a matter of opinion I guess. The article is not all the long. The Wikipedia is not paper. I don't see the harm here. It gives the reader some insight into the guy's career, I guess. I dunno. I'm not seeing the downside, I guess. Herostratus (talk) 21:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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moving some refs over her

I see this was debated maybe eight years ago but I was tidying up this article and the odd block of refs is hard to read. I don't have an issue with the inclusion of the venues but the refs need to be pulled out individually. It's more work than I want to do and not my refs so I am leaving them here for someone Jessamyn (my talk page) 00:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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