Talk:Josef Skořepa

Article title

The policy as spelled out at Wikipedia:Article titles requires that the article title is to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This applies to the title of the article – but within the text of the article, pursuant to WP:MOSBIO, the person's legal name should usually appear first in the article. I trust that explains the current Wikipedia policy as it relates to this issue. Dolovis (talk) 13:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

No actually it doesn't as you have been shown in the centralized discussion on the topic, that common name doesn't take into account diacritics. You have been by a majority (almost 100%) of the people in that discussion that your interpretation of that policy is incorrect. -DJSasso (talk) 15:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Josef Skořepa Mike Cline (talk) 20:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

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Josef Skorepa → Josef Skořepa – There should be diacritics. –sumone10154^{(talk • contribs)} 23:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

• Support - Cough! (please excuse a large amount of verbiage following) I should declare an interest, I suspect that I'm directly responsible for the above editor (whom I don't know) having proposed this. I, mea culpa, created new article Skořepa as a surname hndis yesterday, and sourced (footnote in Czech language) and moved another stub Zdenek Skorepa to Zdeněk Skořepa on the edit summary "primary notability in home country only, should be uncontroversial move per Czech language source in article" as an example to use in a reply to User PBS in an ongoing discussion at WT:BP about whether to tighten the need for accuracy in (East European mainly) BLP names. I was actually intending to use the inconsistency of Josef Skorepa being at an anglicized name as a comparison for WP:MOS lede "consistent with the titles of related articles" + WP:NAMINGCRITERIA section "consistency", but due to the diligence of editor Sumone10154 that has been precipitated before anyone on WT:BLP can consider the inconsistency. Based on past form I can see what will happen next here, we will have 4 or 5 accurate name advocates (includes myself) say "support accuracy, encyclopedic", and then we will have an earnest Google Book check from my genuinely esteemed co-editor Kauffner to see if the string "Josef + Skořepa" occurs in populist diacritic-disabled sources (It doesn't, though it does hit another Josef Skořepa, member of the Bratislava String Quartet in the 1980s). Someone else will then cite Google Scholar where the diacritic is used for other Skořepas who are chemists, physicists, psychologists not sportsmen. And then someone will object that Skořepas who are chemists, physicists, psychologists not sportsmen are not reliable sources for a Skořepa who plays hockey, and we must search hockey surnames only in hockey sources. This is all incredibly time-consuming. I personally thank sumone10154 for this RM but for those who don't know (I didn't) this is part of the legacy of User Dolovis copying 1000 bios from a diacritic-disabled hockey site into WP in 2011 and then having WP:OWNER issues when Eastern European editors sought to make spellings more accurate. If these 1000 bios are to be treated as living people (BLPs) then normal BLP accuracy standards apply. Which means about 200 of the 1000 where accuracy/sourcing was resisted need to be RMed. What's the solution? Leave a BLP inaccuracy in place because they're only hockey players (you can tell I'm not comfortable with that), AfD all that don't appear in encyclopedic sources (none of them do)? Do them 1 by 1, or 20 by 20? Or make Josef Skorepa a test case - if this passes correct all 200 of the 1000 which still need correcting? Or convert en.wp back to NYTimes MOS and accept Spanish names but ban Czech names altogether? Any other ideas? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:21, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
• Support. I am also one of the guys who says "support accuracy, encyclopedic" (quoting from In ictu oculi above). Nevertheless, this should be solved on a higher level. Hope we can agree on a general guideline, such as this. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 05:46, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
• Support - assuming he's notable enough to keep (I see he's been nom'd for AfD, and I honestly don't know enough about Ice Hockey players to say who's notable and who's not) he should be at the name he was given by his mum unless he's actually adopted another one. Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
• Support per accuracy and attached source. - Darwinek (talk) 10:20, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
• Support but keep redirect for the benefit of those not familiar with the correct diacriticals. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:47, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
• Support per accuracy. There can be a redirect in place for those who don't know diacritics. -DJSasso (talk) 18:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose, as this is the English language Wikipedia, not the Czech language Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 18:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: that is why the article is written in English. HandsomeFella (talk) 14:28, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
• Support, his name should be spelled correctly. If people can't type the diacritic on their keyboard (such as I can't), a redirect will solve that problem just fine. JIP | Talk 05:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

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