Talk:Mount Kumgang

Merger

I suggest a merger of this article with Kumgangsan Tourist Region for the following reasons:

• The two are completely interdependent, and
• the Tourist Region article merely describes the economic (and political) use of the area around the mountain.

Kokiri 30 June 2005 15:17 (UTC)

However, the range would be there whether the actual reigon existed or not. I merley suggest a re-structuring of the two articles - In particular, the movement of the infomation on tourism to the Kumgangsan Tourist Region page, and the addition of geographicla, as oppossed to economic and political infomation to the Kumgangsan page.

User: Bobkindles

Agreed. --Menchi 3 July 2005 10:14 (UTC)

Note: above was in response to Kokiri's suggestion, not the subsequent one. -- Visviva 12:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

If we knew anything at all about the political structure, population, etc., of the Kumgangsan Tourist Region, I would oppose this merge. As it stands, though, it seems unlikely that the KTR article will ever come to contain anything aside from general information about the "Kumgangsan area" -- which may or may not actually be pertinent to whatever region is within the boundaries of the KTR. -- Visviva 12:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Opposed Generally speaking it's a bad idea to merge articles dealing with physical and political features into one. The latter are transient and change while the former are stable by and large. Caerwine 16:11, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Opposed Per Caerwine. Also this has been open quite sometime. Since nothing is done, maybe it's time to remove the tag. Davidpdx 15:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I think a merger would be a good idea. This article covers the Tourist Region. There is no need for a separate article.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:12, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

More information that could be added…

This mountain has no co-ordinates. Also, somebody could write a short paragraph in the origin of the name Diamond Mountain, or the role of the mountain in literature/poetry in East Asia, or some of the legends that involve Kumgangsan… Kokiri 30 June 2005 16:08 (UTC)

I've done the co-ordinates, but the stuff on the name and legends I haven't. Kokiri 13:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

金 Kŭm or Kim

Isn't 金 pronounced Kim? Is Kŭm another acceptable pronunciation as well? --Menchi 3 July 2005 07:44 (UTC)

Yes. The gim (김) pronunciation is unique to the Korean surname; in every other context I'm aware of, the character is pronounced geum (금). See Wiktionary entry. -- Visviva 3 July 2005 11:34 (UTC)

Removal of Merger Notice

I removed the merge notice today. It's been open for seven months and only drawn three or four comments. Davidpdx 13:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Tours reopened

S. Korea only temporarily closed the tours after the shooting. The tours are now back on - I just went on one, additionally one can easily signup online.

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moves made as requested Mike Cline (talk) 14:07, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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• Kŭmgangsan → Mount Kumgang
• Kŭmgangsan Tourist Region → Mount Kumgang Tourist Region
• Kŭmgangsan Ch'ŏngnyŏn Line → Kumgangsan Chongnyon Line

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1. Reliable sources: English language sources universally prefer the anglicized form "Mount Kumgang" over "Kŭmgangson": BBC, NYT, Telegraph. When the Korean form is (rarely) used, Kumgangsan, not Kŭmgangsan, is written: NYT, Spiegel, Guardian. The exception comes at the railway, which is rarely mentioned in English language sources. Following this Reuters caption[1], it can be renamed "Kumgangsan Chongnyon Line".
2. Common use: A web search for "Mount Kumgang, North Korea" nets 321,000 results;[2] "Kumgangsan, North Korea" yields 110,000 results;[3] "Kŭmgangsan, North Korea" gets 43,500.[4]
3. English language: Wikipedia uses Mount Wutai, not Wutaishan; Baekdu Mountain, not Baekdusan; Mount Fuji, not Fujisan. Also, when Korean loan words are adapted into English, they lose their diacritics. See: Pyongyang, Chaebol, Hangul. Shrigley (talk) 18:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

The provided link has no mention of the railway line's name. 2Q (talk) 19:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

You have to mouseover the picture with javascript enabled to see it. Shrigley (talk) 19:42, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Aha, thank you. While I agree completely re the mountain and the resort, regarding the rail line (and the station), I don't see what difference it makes either way, and am not sure moving for the sake of moving is that good an idea. 2Q (talk) 21:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Support all- Policy supported, in line with current practices. Dru of Id (talk) 22:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

• I'm fine with moving the article on the mountain but oppose moving the other listed articles. Wikipedia does not typically translate such proper names when used as part of railway or and admin unit names. Cf. Paektusan Ch'ŏngnyŏn Line, not "Paektu Mountain Chongnyon Line"; Sŏhaekammun Line, not "West Sea Barrage Line"; Da Hinggan Ling Prefecture, not "Greater Khingan Mountains Prefecture"; Heilongjiang Province, not "Amur River Province". —  AjaxSmack  23:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
  • That's why on the railway article I left "Kumgangsan" unchanged - except for the diacritics, which English-language sources on Korea drop. On the tourist region, however, I think you should take another look at the sources: "Mount Kumgang tourist region" 264,000[5], "Kumgangsan tourist region" 25,600.[6] And there I generously dropped the diacritics. Mount Kumgang is a well-known name in English, primarily known for the tourist region; "Kŭmgangsan" is obscure. In the case of "Amur River Province", we would be making up a new anglicization, but for "Mount Kumgang" a predominant one already exists. Shrigley (talk) 23:24, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

• Support. Yonhap, the South Korean news agency, uses "Mount Kumgang". KCNA, the North Korean news agency, says "Mt. Kumgang" and "Special Zone of Mt. Kumgang International Tourism." Kauffner (talk) 02:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, but the Wikipedia of English are we, not the Wikipedia of Konglish. —  AjaxSmack  01:34, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 22:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Location

I've changed the {coord} to 38°39′24.35″N 128°06′17.65″E which fits the Google Earth location and all the other attributes of the mountain. The previous {coord} took you to a valley within the DMZ. Coinmanj (talk) 23:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

classic art images

• the famous painting "Entire View of Geumgang-san" by Ahn Hyeon, 18th Century, one of Korea's most important artists.

Please add classic art images to the article, such as the one from 1734 in the Korean-wiki article. -71.174.188.43 (talk) 18:34, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

resources:

• www.san-shin.net/Geumgangsan-Changdeok-1.html

18th Century Paintings of Geumgang-san in Huijeong-dang Hall of Changdeok Palace, Seoul

• www.san-shin.net/Geumgangsan-Changdeok-2.html

18th Century Paintings of Hae-geumgang-san in Huijeong-dang Hall of Changdeok Palace, Seoul

-71.174.188.43 (talk) 20:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Name

Based on Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Korean)#Mountains, shouldn't this be moved to Kumgangsan? --Fujiiy (talk) 03:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)