Talk:Kalhor (tribe)

Ethnocentric edits by some users

Wikipedia is a free science-based encyclopedia, not a place to your ethnocentric goals. Please don't delete citations about Lurish identity of Kablhor people. Please pay attention and stop it.Shadegan (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Im a kalhor we are 100 percent Kurdish tribe , so stop Masoodo6 14:47, 15 September 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masoodo6 (talk • contribs)

Fully protected for two weeks

Both of you could easily have been blocked for edit-warring, but I'm protecting this instead. Both of you have now been warned and please note that 3RR is not a right, if you go back to reverting each other you might both be blocked. You need to work this out, perhaps at WP:DRN or through a WP:RFC. You also need to avoid commenting on each other. Also, please note WP:NOENG, "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance. As with sources in English, if a dispute arises involving a citation to a non-English source, editors may request that a quotation of relevant portions of the original source be provided, either in text, in a footnote, or on the article talk page." What that doesn't mention and I think is important is that citations should include an English translation of the citation. Doug Weller talk 12:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: that user claimed a false identity (lurish) for that tribe by primary sources. In Persian wikipedia admins protected that page after rolling back his edits. Then he started to do vandalism in other languages. For translating sources i can do and also you can use google translate. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 08:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@Doug Weller:, @Hosseiniran:, Our goal in Wikipedia is to promote scientific knowledge and not to hide and deny the realities. I didn't deny and delete citations and realities about Kurdish origin theory, but I tried to add some citations about their Lurish origin theory. I apologize over the current edit warring. The next time I'll seek the challenges through it's logic path. Thank you Doug Weller for your kind recommendationsShadegan (talk) 08:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't know anything about this dispute. Neither of you has been blocked on any Wikipedia. If someone translates the citations I can add the translation, which might help other editors if you go to DRN or have an RfC. Doug Weller talk 12:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|Doug Weller|} can we request a reliable user like @HistoryofIran: who knows Persian to translate the sources? --– Hossein Iran « talk » 17:32, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Once posted you can't fix a ping, you have to make a new, signed edit. @HistoryofIran:, do you want to comment/assist? Doug Weller talk 18:13, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I can't read the Perso-Arab script unfortunately. I can only read Persian written in the Latin alphabet. Btw, I have no idea what is going on here on this article, I just fixed the name of the article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:59, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|Doug Weller|} then can i translate the Persian references now? --– Hossein Iran « talk » 21:42, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Your ping is still not right, it's {{ping|Doug Weller}} If someone translates them, giving them the same numbers they have on the article page, I can copy that over. Doug Weller talk 11:56, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

WP:DRN @HistoryofIran:, Please have a look to non-Persian citations mentioned in the paper if you can't read Persian. I wonder what is the sensetivity about inserting some authentic resources that believed the Kalhor is of Lurish origin, except ethnocentric users who believe to sole pure identity of Kurdish for this tribe!! What they afraid of?! Is a theory so dangerous? By the way, even Kurdish historians has categorized Kalhor as a Lurish tribe . Best Regards Shadegan (talk) 14:03, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@Shadegan: I don't mean translate the sources, just the actual citations. G Translate gives:

And dispersion in Iran territory - H. Bhtvyy - 1377 - Tehran.

^ tribes, nomadic tribes of the country. Ali numbered. Publisher knowledge generation. Iran. 1368.
^ Ayatollah Mohammadi. Siri in political history. Publishing ask him. 1382
^ land and people of Iran, Abdul Saeidian, life science publications, Tehran 1377
^ history of the monarchy, Saeed Nafisi, Nashraqbal, Tehran 1317, Page 25
^ NATIONAL LIFE ethnic genealogy. Ismail Yvrdshahyan.antsharat Farzan day. Tehran 1380, First Edition. Page 173 and 174
^ geographical Iran. Mr. Abbas Jafari. Geographical Institute and geographical cartography. Tehran 1379
^ Oskar von Niedermayer, Under the Scorching Sun: Iran war experiences of the German expedition to Persia and Afghanistan, Dachau, 1925; tr. Keykavus Jahandari, as Zir-e aftab-e suzan-e Iran, Tehran, 1984, pp. 75-76, 96-114.
^ Atsamalmlk, travel Mirza Khanlrkhan, edited by M. Mahmoudi, 1351
^ Dvbd, Baron, travel Lorestan and Khuzestan, translation MH Arya, 1371 Saeidian, Abdul
^ Rawlinson, art, travel Rawlinson, passing through Khuzestan transportation, translation Alexander Amanullah, 1362

but that's not good enough to identify the sources. And

I, pp. 317-19

^ Bedlisi, I, pp. 317-19

^ Mirza Sami?a, tr., comm., p. 171

don't provide enough information to WP:VERIFY. I'm hoping one of you will go to DRN or start an RfC. I'm not getting involved in the actual content dispute. Doug Weller talk 14:28, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@Doug Weller:

I raised the issue and went to DRN. I hope the dispute be solved peacefully.Shadegan (talk) 10:47, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

• Comment One of you folks posted a request for a third opinion; and formally speaking, that process does not apply, as there are already more than two people involved, the matter had not been discussed thoroughly, and indeed there does not seem to be a very specific issue on which a third opinion is needed. I will say in passing, though, that citations need to be more detailed than a lot of those shown here, in order to meet WP:V. If a book is cited, it needs an author, title, year, publisher, and page number at the very least, and ideally should also have an isbn and information about where it was published: and if a translated volume is used, the translator, as well. Vanamonde (talk) 15:47, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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