Talk:KU Leuven

2005–2007 comments on various topics

please take a look at Talk:Catholic University of Leuven, for a proposal on moving the common history of the two universities to a separate article. --Lenthe 09:52, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I've deleted Frank Vandenbroucke from the list of notable alumni. Not because of political reasons, but I think that if you add him, you also have to add all the other flemish ministers which have studied at the KUL which would be a huge amount of people.--Lamadude 14:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Why is the university of leuven considered private whereas the university of ghent is considered public? That doesn't make sense.

The Catholic University of Leuven is a private institution, with a board composed of bishops and independent persons, whereas Ghent University has been founded by the State, and its board is composed of politically appointed members.

For governmental funding purposes, there is however no difference. MaartenVidal 20:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

New total students: http://www.kuleuven.be/overons/feitenencijfers.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.190.253.144 (talk) 20:52, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

VUB and freemasonary

"and the Free University of Brussels ("VUB") freemasonic. [...] It is nevertheless still unthinkable that priest-professors would teach at the VUB or the UGent or that lodge-professors would teach at the KUL."

I have found no evidence for labelling this university as "freemasonic" anywhere. As far as I know, the Masons do not establish universities the way the Catholic Church does - and therefore one cannot compare a university, which was founded by a member of a certain group to a university endorsed by a group. This section should be removed or amended. Karpada 08:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

You'd better read the phrase a second time. It clearly states "in polarized Flanders (...) is CONSIDERED (...) freemasonic". It is not incorrect at all. If you are a Fleming yourself and know something about the higher education in Flanders, you'd know that this is the truth. I don't see any reason for changing that part of the article. Maybe the other contributors do. Please let us know your opinion about this. Berchemboy 14:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I changed the sentence "Ghent University is considered to be independent, and Antwerp University and VUB to be pluralist" into "Ghent University and Antwerp University are considered to be pluralist, and VUB to be independent", since VUB has an outspoken anticlerical reputation. MaartenVidal 20:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed the claims about other universities due to conflict with NPOV. Also this article should not be about other universities. PhiRho (talk) 14:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't see a conflict with NPOV. These are all factual statements, and to understand Leuven's position as a Catholic university in a pillarized society you need to know what the other institutions are. To understand the Secularist character of the VUB it helps to know that the original founders were Freemasons. The whole paragraph is weakened by removing the information, and I'm reverting it (but if mention of Freemasons seems POV, by all means cut those coupe of words). --Paularblaster (talk) 21:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Why do you want to claim that the Vrije Universiteit brussel is secularist? This statement is in conflict with NPOV, in my opinion, because I see no evidence that its administrative explicitly takes such standpoint. At least it would need a good reference. The Vrije Universiteit Brussel is pluralist according to its statutes in the sense as decribed on Wikipedia: see Pluralism. Furthermore, is it really necessary to make statements about one university in the article on another university? And certainly the statement that it was established by freemacons (also questionable, it was established by parliament, and there were certainly some freemacons in parliament; not all people promoting its establishment were freemacons!) does not add any info to the current article. PhiRho (talk) 09:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Is the university's website a good enough reference for you? (See my recent edit) The reference to Freemasons has already been removed (although you should perhaps be aware that Freemasonry is nothing to be ashamed of; one of my grandfathers was a mason); as I said, it does elucidate the pillarized divisions of the Belgian university landscape - a fact about Belgium that explains a lot of otherwise inexplicable things --Paularblaster (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

That's much better. "Freemasonry is nothing to be ashamed of": I agree with you PhiRho (talk) 17:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Mutch freemasons ware founders of the University of Brussels, but at this time a great part of the freemasons in Belgium ware catholics (also priest). In the end of the XVIII century the bisshop of Liège was a mason.--94.109.2.220 (talk) 21:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposal / Interwiki Examples

Hi everyone. When I stumbled upon this merge proposal, I checked out what was the situation on the french Wikipedia.

Even though some articles are still stubs in other languages, I think Lenthe's suggestion should be adapted in this fashion:

• Catholic University of Leuven: Becomes disambiguation page
  • Interwiki: fr:Université catholique de Louvain

• Catholic University of Leuven (Leuven): Page with the common history, alumni, etc.
  • Current: Catholic University of Leuven
  • Interwiki: fr:Université catholique de Louvain (Louvain)

• Catholic University of Leuven (Louvain-la-Neuve): Modern French University
  • Current: Université catholique de Louvain
  • Interwiki: fr:Université catholique de Louvain (Louvain-la-Neuve)

• Catholic University of Leuven (Katholieke Universiteit Leuven): Modern Dutch University
  • Current: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven
  • Interwiki: fr:Katholieke Universiteit Leuven

I believe the Dutch Wikipedia currently has only two pages:

• nl:Katholieke Universiteit Leuven
• nl:Université catholique de Louvain

Following this example, I believe the four pages suggestion should provide the best interwiki template to preserve neutrality.

So this is my take on the question. Hope it helps : )
Stéphane Thibault 01:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC) ^Talk

The policy of the K.U.Leuven, as it is written on the page referred to below (sorry dutch only), is not to translate the official name "Katholieke Universiteit Leuven". http://www.kuleuven.be/huisstijl/naamgeving.htm

That's 100% correct, so I believe that it should be KUL and not Catholic Univ Leuven.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Given the year-long silence I take it nobody has any strong feelings about a necessary clean-up nd disambiguation. See below for details.--Paularblaster 23:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

After the split ...

After putting Rudi Pauwels here (he was erroneously listed as an alumnus of the unified university of Louvain), I noticed that many, if not most of the alumni listed here are in fact alumni of the older unified university, and some are even metioned there as well.

Someone ought to have a look at this, and if possible, check with the categories that these people are put in, because I suspect there are problems there as well. One of the alumni claimed for Leuven is Paul Ricoeur, "philosopher". A French protestant, by the way. Actually, in his article it is claimed that he briefly TAUGHT at the university, before 1970. I am removing that one presently. --Pan Gerwazy 13:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Same thing with Jacques Lacan. Sorry for writing Dutch in the summary of the edit. Lacan and Ricoeur were added by the same anonymous IP. --Pan Gerwazy 13:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted three more alumni who did not belong here. So that others may not have to repeat my checking on the others, I have added the date of their graduation in invisible text. Anyone adding new alumni (there are preciously few now ...) should ideally do the same.--Paul Pieniezny 14:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Separation / Disambiguation

I've been and gone and done it and put pre-1968 under Catholic University of Leuven, and post-1968 here and under Université catholique de Louvain. Help sorting out the links would be nice :) I've done most of them already, but there are still 100+ linking to "University of Leuven" (which has become a disambiguation page instead of a redirect to here).--Paularblaster 23:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I should have said: an often-misleading redirect.--Paularblaster 23:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Degree of catholicity of the university

I have removed the following two sentences from the text: "In fact, the K.U.Leuven is not Catholic in any real sense, certainly not in the sense of adhering always to Church teachings. In this respect, K.U.Leuven is more often regarded as being 'progressive' in relation to other Catholic universities worldwide."

These two sentences are wide open to debate, and were not cited. The charge that KUL is "not Catholic in any real sense" begs the question of what a "real sense" of being a Catholic university would be. And, if one is to define this as adherence to the Catholic magisterium (as the author of that sentence seems to imply), then one has to define what such adherence means for a Catholic university today. The sentence commenting on the university being regarded as "progressive" is overly broad, not cited, and open to debate as well. B-May (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Setting aside the previous rector's remark that the K.U.Leuven's "K" stands for "kwaliteit" (quality) rather than "katholiek" (Catholic), I think the recent book Time to Leave the Catacombs pretty much answers that question. --Paularblaster (talk) 21:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

University PR

Over the past couple of weeks two IPs, 91.178.168.207 and 91.178.108.54, have systematically removed quantified information sourced from EU documents that gives an objective assessment of the K.U.Leuven (first in Belgium for scientific output, third for impact), and introduced superlatives about it being ranked "by far the highest" in a newspaper survey. What gives? --Paularblaster (talk) 22:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 16:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

KU Leuven → Katholieke Universiteit Leuven – Official name, same name as the Dutch, French and German Wikipedias. We also write Université catholique de Louvain instead of UCL. Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC) De wafelenbak (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

• Support: Abbreviations should not be used in titles. ---Brigade Piron (talk) 13:22, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment They refer to themselves as KU Leuven, so the current title seems fine to me. Oreo Priest ^talk 16:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Incorrect Name

Actually, KU Leuven is correct. Notice that it is not an abbreviation (no periods are used at all). The article should be renamed KU Leuven, and Katholieke Universiteit Leuven should redirect to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bordalejo (talk • contribs) 13:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC) They seem to still doubt about it, they state it is KU Leuven (to remove the "catholic" but at the same time do say it can still be used as catholic.. I think they just want to be able to use both whenever they have to.Garnhami (talk) 20:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

The correct name of this article should be KU Leuven and not Katholieke Universiteit Leuven

The Katholieke Universiteit Leuven does not exist anymore. The official name is KU Leuven. The title of this page is thus wrong and should be changed.

The university went through a hard discussion on this name and has changed it a few years, all the official documents (and the website) will speak of KU Leuven. Notice that the K and U are no longer followed by dots/periods. They do not stand for an abbreviation. Garnhami (talk) 21:50, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Per the naming guideline you posted above, the university's official name has not changed. They simply now use the abbreviated form as their "corporate name". Zacwill (talk) 21:19, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

To me it's quite weird to keep insisting on the use of Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, since all communication from the university itself is - according to their own guidelines - KU Leuven. Both in English and in Dutch, they only use KU Leuven. This is official policy, as published on their website: https://www.kuleuven.be/communicatie/marketing/intranet/huisstijl/taalgebruik_en.html. It would only add to confusion to keep using Katholieke Universiteit Leuven when the university itself does no longer use the name. Especially since you have a French speaking university with a very similar name in Louvain-la-Neuve. In any case, Catholic University of Leuven is never used, not officially nor informal, so should be removed. When keep insisting on Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, I would suggest to change the order, something like: "KU Leuven, formerly known as Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, is a research university..." --Apophiswiki (talk) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 8 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: MOVED. —A L T E R C A R I  ✍ 16:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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Katholieke Universiteit Leuven → KU Leuven – While it can be argued that the university's official name has not changed and KU Leuven is just an "abbreviated" "corporate name", the same is also true for the French university Sciences Po and yet Institut d'études politiques de Paris redirects to Sciences Po (its "abbreviation") and not the other way around. Like Sciences Po, major newspapers, other universities, ranking publications, and, more importantly, the university itself uses the "short name" KU Leuven. Throughout KU Leuven's official website, only the short name is used, even in an official sense. The long name is only mentioned when referring to the university's history. Thus, Wikipedia should reflect this, just like with Sciences Po. 180.87.141.34 (talk) 10:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

• Support. Can wait a bit for others to weigh in should they so desire. -- dsprc ^[talk] 14:48, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
• Support - Having nothing to do with the Sciences Po article, the move is warranted by this; alone: KU Leuven is, so clearly, the common name for this topic, that it should be the article's title.--John Cline (talk) 08:40, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

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Splitting proposal

Move Honorary doctorate and/or Notable alumni as separate articles

I propose that sections Notable alumni and Honorary doctorates especially be split into a separate page called List of KU Leuven people.

Having large sections that are essentially lists of people is not standard for articles about universities, especially honorary doctorates (which is not a main feature/concern for university information). For KU Leuven, it is more glaring as it occupies almost a third of the article. I'd like to request that Honorary doctorates section be removed and made into a separate article, along with Notable alumni. They can be replaced in KU Leuven's profile with a brief paragraph mentioning a number of the most prominent alumni and recent honorary doctorate recipients, with links directing them to the separate (and longer) list. @John Cline, dsprc, PCC7500, and Bruxellensis: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmnoph (talk • contribs) 01:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: I do not personally see why honorary doctorates are notable in their own right and most recent recipients will have no notable connection to the university. As for alumni, we already have Category:KU Leuven alumni whose members are all presumed to be notable. What would a list add? It might be worth retaining a few very important names but I would cull most of the entries on this page. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
• Against: As BP said; there already is an alumni page, a new page of generic KU Leuven People has very little added value. If the alumni take up too much space here, I suggest putting the cut off at 1980 or even 2000 and be done with it. Call me Matt - Bling Collector 10:04, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Against: Or, to put it another way, I am for deleting the honorary doctorates, these usually have very little to do with the history or daily workings of a university. To include them is to participate in a system of exchanging favors, fundraising etc. I am also for placing a cut off of notable alumni after the year 2000. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 07:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)