Talk:Kevin Davis (police officer)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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Kevin Davis in 2017

• ... that the Baltimore City Hall was occupied for several hours by protestors following the appointment of the city's new police commissioner Kevin Davis (pictured)? Source: CBS Baltimore, The Baltimore Sun
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/List of Seattle Storm seasons
  • Comment: QPQ coming soon.

Created by Tails Wx (talk) and Queen of Hearts (talk). Nominated by Tails Wx (talk) at 22:37, 23 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kevin Davis (police officer); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 10:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Great work on the article! Tails Wx (talk · contribs), this will be ready once the "Reviewed" section is filled in. Cunard (talk) 10:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Cunard, Tails Wx, and Queen of Hearts: Not sure why the hook is interesting DYKCRIT. I imagine this has happened before. I also wonder if we can come up with a hook that does not focus on the negative in this BLP. Should also address a CLOP issue in Early life section Bruxton (talk) 21:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

  Bruxton, I've taken care of the CLOP issue. How about ALT1 (courtesy pings to Cunard and Queen of Hearts as well for their thoughts):

• ...that police officer Kevin Davis' father, grandfather, and great-grandfather all served in emergency management? Source: Pasadena Voice

~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 21:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Tails Wx (talk · contribs), thank you for rewording the article and proposing the new hook. The source says: "A fourth-generation public safety officer, Davis was born with a badge in hand and police work in his blood. His great-grandfather and grandfather retired high-ranking Washington, D.C., firefighters, and Davis' father is a retired Prince George’s County police officer."

Is serving as firefighters (his great-grandfather and grandfather) and a police officer (his father) considered "emergency management"? Emergency management says, "a science and a system charged with creating the framework within which communities reduce vulnerability to hazards and cope with disasters"? Or is a different meaning of emergency management being used here? Cunard (talk) 06:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. I probably misinterpreted the use of "emergency management" here, so I think "public safety" would be a better use, since firefighters and police officers are part of public safety, no? (ping Cunard)

• ALT3: ...that police officer Kevin Davis' father, grandfather, and great-grandfather all served in public safety?

~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 19:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• Verified for ALT3. Tails Wx (talk · contribs), thank you for the updated hook! I think "public safety" is an accurate description of their work as firefighters and police officers. Cunard (talk) 07:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

About the nomination

@Tails Wx are you 100% sure this article is long enough to be a Good Article? I do think that this article has enough information but something inside me thinks that it isn't long enough. Please get back to me.

Cheers, Arotparaarms (talk) 12:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

So there technically isn’t a length requirement for GAs, but criteria for GAs include the article to be broad in its coverage and to be well-written. This article seems to fulfill those requirements, although a thorough review would be needed to determine if it passes the criteria. If it isn’t “long enough”, then what else needs to be included? (@Arotparaarms) ~ Tails Wx 04:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Valid point, I will review it asap Arotparaarms (talk) 18:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Kevin Davis (police officer)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Tails Wx (talk · contribs) 16:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 20:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm surprised to see an article this short has been waiting so long for a review. I'll get that fixed shortly. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Tails Wx I've posted the review below. My main concerns are that there are significant gaps in the coverage here and the way sources are used might be a little misleading at some points; both of these also introduce NPOV issues in a few places. It's likely going to require a really thorough examination of the sources to address this. I'll leave it to you whether you're looking to do this in the next week or if you'd rather close the review so you can take your time without feeling rushed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Thebiguglyalien, thanks for the review! Yeah, I'm thinking the best way forward from here is to close the review for now for me to address those issued you've noted below. I don't think I can address those in a week or so because I've been busy recently; it isn't going to get any better in the next week or so in terms of that. Also, if I were to have time to do so, it'll probably take a substantial amount of it to get to all of those, and it's probably better to gradually improve it rather than rush through and risk making additional mistakes from it. ~ Tails Wx 04:04, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

General:

• I'm not a fan of starting sentences with "However"; it's an extra word that doesn't change the meaning. A few other transition words might be removable as well without meaningfully interrupting the flow.
• There's not enough room for these images. One or both of the thumbnails should probably be removed.

Lead:

• until his departure in January 2018 after crime rates increased significantly – It could be clearer that he was removed, and it was specifically because of the crime rates.
• Three years later, in 2021 – A little redundant.

Early life:

• Can we get years for his graduations and degrees?

Police career:

• Not a major issue, but I don't like that each paragraph starts with "on date" or "in year". It's not technically WP:PROSELINE, but it feels like it.
• This section is rather long. Fairfax County can probably be its own section or subsection.
• Any reason this isn't simply titled "Career"?
• Do we know why he resigned in 2014?
• Do we know why she replaced Batts with Davis?
• replaced Batts with Davis as the interim commissioner and with Davis having acted as the commissioner seem redundant to one another.
• Why the protests? That seems to come out of nowhere and needs context.
• Was he unemployed 2018–2021?
• after concerns over his law enforcement history – Do we know the specifics? Is it just his termination in Baltimore, or are there other things?
• although certain types of crime, including domestic violence and motor vehicle theft, rose during Davis' tenure – Unlike the homicides in Baltimore, this doesn't seem directly relevant and gives the impression that it was cherrypicked to say something negative.
• I'd avoid describing things as "controversies" and instead just describing what happened. Even then, two instances probably doesn't warrant "several".
• I find the Sledzaus' role in this and his reason for resigning unclear.
• Who was responsible for the non-English certificates? Davis or DeBoard? The passive voice makes it hard to tell.
• The Fairfax portion seems very critical. I'm not going to ask for a WP:FALSEBALANCE, but if there is any more coverage about things other than controversies 2021–present, it should really be added.

Personal life:

• No concerns.

Spot checks:

• [3] Thompson (2013):
• Does this support anything in the first sentence of "Police career"? It looks like [5] CBS Baltimore (2015) is carrying everything there.
• This source lists a lot of roles he held 1992–2009, which the article has no information on. Right now, the article gives the impression that he was a patrol officer for 17 years and then immediately promoted to police chief.
• This source says he spent his final years at Prince George as the assistant chief of police.
• No mention that it was his decision to have a Twitter account for the department as a transparency measure?
• [12] Campbell & Rector (2015) and [13] CBS Baltimore (2015): Good, although these do elaborate on the reasons for the protests, which should be in the article.
• [14] Linderman (2016): This source doesn't say there were 300 homicides in 2016, simply that they reached that number in December 2016. We don't know how many more there were in those last weeks, but the total number was highly likely to be a little over 300.
• [19] Andersen (2018): He said the honor of his lifetime, which makes a difference.
• [22] Taube (2021): The lawsuits seem relevant and would help with a few of the points above. The body cameras and deescalation policy also seem relevant, especially since the article seems lopsided toward negative coverage.
• [23] Massimo (2022): The "despite this" implies that this source gives some sort of resolution to the Democratic Committee issue. The source connects the domestic violence issue to an effort to encourage reporting, so it's not fair to cast this wholly in a negative light (though as I said above, it probably doesn't need to be included at all).

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