Talk:Khorgos

Gauge?

"The tracks from the Chinese and Kazakhstan sides of the borders were connected" makes me wonder: Did they weld 1435 to 1520mm? Hans-Joachim Zierke (talk) 00:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

This is how they do it in Ukraine...

The Chinese article was remarkably brief on the topic ("接轨"), while an earlier (03-Apr-2012) article in Russian explained: "Once a [cargo] train from China enters our [Kazakh] territory, containers will be moved [from their railcars] to our railcars and will then continue their journey. The same will be done with the freight travelling in the opposite direction. In passenger cars, the bogies will be changed" ("После того как состав с территории Китая зайдет к нам, на специальном сортировочном пункте контейнеры будут перегружаться на наши вагоны и следовать дальше. То же будет происходить и с грузами, следующими в обратном направлении. В пассажирских вагонах будут меняться колесные пары."). So I assume that what they actually have now is a cargo trans-shipment facility with two parallel tracks and a crane of some kind. I have not heard about any through trans-border passenger service started, so perhaps the bogie exchange facility (which, I suppose, will involve a short dual-gauge section?) at Khorgos is not operational yet.

Since most of the freight going from KZ to CN is actually bulk cargo, rather than containers (see stats at Alashankou Railway Station, on the other line), it seems to me that a bogie-changing facility could also be useful for freight, too. That seems to be the arrangement at Dostyk (opposite Alashankou), where "the existing railcar bogie-changing facility has 10 positions for changing bogies of passenger cars, and 42 positions for changing bogies of freight cars" ("Существующий пункт перестановки вагонов имеет 10 позиций для перестановки колесных пар пассажирских вагонов и 42 позиции для перестановки колесных пар грузовых вагонов", http://www.railways.kz/ru/dostyk ). -- Vmenkov (talk) 05:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Another spelling "Horgos" now appearing in western media

This article includes many spelling variants, but not "Horgos". Ironically there are now news articles appearing in the western press using just this spelling.

Example artice from the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/articles/chinas-new-trade-routes-center-it-on-geopolitical-map-1415559290

— Hippietrail (talk) 23:55, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Finding the frequency of use of this spelling is complicated by the fact that Horgos is another border-crossing city, between Serbia and Hungary. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:24, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Doing some research to try to determine the common name... ranking by Google page views:

1. Horgos About 800,000 results, but this is skewed by the naming conflict with the other border-crossing city in Europe
2. Korgas About 152,000 results, but this is skewed by a company
3. Khorgos About 107,000 results
4. Khorgas About 42,000 results

Adding "China" to the search...

1. Khorgos China About 886,000 results HORGOS, China/KHORGOS, Kazakhstan (Reuters) road sign
2. Horgos China About 219,000 results HORGOS, China/KHORGOS, Kazakhstan (Reuters)
3. Korgas China About 86,800 results China Internet Information Center (the "official link") road sign
4. Khorgas China About 27,300 results Politico

Requested move 29 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved to Khorgos. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Khorgas → Horgos, Xinjiang – Per WP:COMMONNAME: Horgos is still, by far, the most commonly used name, even when reducing the range to just the past five years. Alternative proposals are Khorgos, the second most common name; or Korgas, per WP:OFFICIAL (although Chinese government sources have also used "Horgos" as recently as February of this year: example 1, example 2, example 3). Definitely not Khorgas though, as it remains the least-used of the four despite being the title of this article for over a decade. See also Google Ngrams. Even though the Serbian village or Kazakh town may askew the Ngrams results for Horgos, the discrepancy is likely minimal given that they are much less significant in terms of coverage and notability. Yue🌙 09:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 09:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Neutral on the move, but the correct title would be Horgos, Xinjiang, per WP:PLACEDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 14:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Yue🌙 02:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

• Move to Khorgos per WP:NATURALDAB. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 19:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support move away from Khorgas; no real preference between the three proposed titles, but Khorgas is clearly the most uncommon of the four. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
• Split -- The current article, especially the intro, covers the settlements on both sides of the border. There are articles for the Kazakh village in other languages but not in English (Q13650052). Given Kazakhstan is in the process of switching to Latin alphabet, I am doubtful official Chinese translation would apply to the Kazakh village. --Voidvector (talk) 08:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
• Move to Khorgos per WP:NATURALDAB, per above.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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