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On 27 June 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from King's Garden (Silwan) to Al-Bustan (East Jerusalem). The result of the discussion was moved.

Created new article split from King's Garden (Jerusalem)

Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Re discussion at Silwan talk page. Selfstudier (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 27 June 2022

Latest comment: 2 years ago10 comments3 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

King's Garden (Silwan) → Al-Bustan (East Jerusalem) – This is an article about Al-Bustan, a Palestinian neighbourhood in the Silwan area of East Jerusalem, that is subject to an attempted forced displacement by the Israeli authorities with the aim of creating a park named the "King's Garden" in homage to something biblical. Numerically "Al-Bustan+Silwan" draws 42,000 hits in a google search versus 1,500 hits for "King's Garden" + Silwan; however, the more obvious point to make is that simply planning to redevelop a location does not automatically make that place someplace else - that just makes it the name of a redevelopment scheme. As this report: "The "King's Garden" Plan in Al-Bustan" correctly phrases it - the 'King's Garden' would be better described as being IN Al-Bustan. B'Tselem calls the development plan 'a tourist park' in the Al-Bustan Neighbourhood [1]. Again, a development within an area does not that area rename. Instead, the logical semantic structuring of this (were we to structure it) would be: King's Garden (proposed development), Al-Bustan, Silwan, East Jerusalem, but Wikipedia is also not a crystal ball (WP:CRYSTALBALL), and we don't create articles about things that may or may not exist in the future. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Shouldn't it be Al-Bustan (Silwan) ? Selfstudier (talk) 12:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Not sure on that count - I'm a bit sketchy on the location disambiguation rules, but Jerusalem is more recognizable than Silwan, so I thought it would make for a slightly more reader-friendly disambiguator. The other Al-Bustans are disambiguated at a country level, i.e.: Al Bustan, Oman, Al Bustan, Saudi Arabia and Al-Bustan, Syria, but that would probably cause more issues than it solves here. Again, there may well be a guideline on local district-level locations that says it needs to work upwards in more discrete increments - if so, happy to be pointed in the right direction. But ultimately, I'm actually fairly easy either way. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

My reading of WP:PLACEDAB is that the general advice is start at the top (country) level, and work down from there if the country is still problematic for disambiguation. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

At AB disambig, there was there a KG (Jeru) which I just changed to KG (hist). There are two relevant disambigs, KG disambig as well are you going to do anything with KG (hist)? Selfstudier (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Yes, that page should probably just be King's Garden (biblical place), since that article more than anything appears to speak to the biblical concept and its theory. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

OK, well, I would prefer Silwan or on your alternate theory, Palestine -> East Jerusalem. Selfstudier (talk) 12:41, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Ok, sold. I'll just tweak and collapse, since the discussion is just between us at this point. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Support More logical fix up of prior dispute. Selfstudier (talk) 12:56, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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