Talk:King Street Station

SOLD for $1

I found out that mayor Greg Nickels bought this station for only $1. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003440899_kingstreet21m.html Bigtop 01:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Green Tiles

Why is it necessary to mention that the station never had a green tile roof? I didn't know that was in question. Alternately, we could add to the article that it never had an airport attached. ctishman 04:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, I was just going to add that salmon were never caught from it's roof. Maybe the green roof part should be removed? Noexit 02:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Answer is listed herein.

The reason why is because the man who is charge of the restoration is planning to put green tiles on the roof for no other reason than that he thinks it would look nice there. I want this mention kept in the article. Just because you don't like it there isn't reason enough to counter my right to add it into the article. It is a perfectly factual statement. Who made you the captain of this article anyway?

I think that the argument made by the anonymous poster about the asphalt shingles is more appropriate for this discussion page. Using the article for an argument of historical fact isn't really encyclopedic in tone. Moreover the persuasive argument that King Street Station should have one roofing material or another should be addressed to the "man in charge of the restoration" not to the readers of Wikipedia. The appropriate tone for the fact that there were and contineu to be asphalt shingles would be to say simply, "The building has historically been roofed with asphalt shingles."

And as with any Wikipedia article, no one "owns" or "captains" any article.Ltvine 01:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and guess what? I changed it back to include my statement. Tough beans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.245.120 (talk) 11:46, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

WSDOT's website (http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Rail/KingStreetStationRenovation/) states that the original roof is "green barrel tile." Shouldn't this referenced source be used rather than an unreferenced argument? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.253.227 (talk) 23:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that. -- Ltvine | Talk 03:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I possess 26 different images of the station from the time it was built until now and many of the older photos came from the MOHAI library of images. Not one, not a single one, shows the roof to be anything other than asphalt tile! I'm afraid that the WSDOT is completely wrong about their claim. One wonders where they got their information. It wasn't from MOHAI, I assure you. If you can show me ONE picture where the roof has even ONE green tile on it, I will shut up forever. But, you can't, because there isn't one. The only Northern Pacific station that I know of that had a green tile roof was located in Butte, Montana, or I should say has, although it remains a derelict so far as I know. Just because a source can be referenced doesn't automatically mean that it is correct in its claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.245.120 (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Images

Is there any good reason that the images in the gallery here aren't on Commons, where we have a category for this building? Also, I have to wonder if any of those images are really striking or informative enough (or different enough from one another) to merit belonging in a gallery for the article.

Someone might want to look through the Commons category and see if there are some more appropriate images. I'll refrain from any further involvement in the decision, since quite a few of those images in the Commons category are my own recent photos. - Jmabel | Talk 17:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I can respond to this a bit since I created the category on Commons with a self-authored image as well as a couple of additional images I found and stripped from Flickr that had Creative Commons (cc-by-sa-2.0) license.

From the article history I can see that I moved all of the images that were hosted on Commons out of the gallery and added the {{commonscat}} template to the external links section to direct readers to the additional images in the Commons category. The only reason the remaining images are in a gallery on the article page is because they're hosted on Wikipedia--and I didn't want to spend the time verifying the openness of their intellectual property status and figuring out the right way to move them to Commons. If they were to find their way to Commons eventually, that would be fine with me. It might be nice to use a couple of these images to illustrate an expanded history or architecture section (something I had planned on doing sometime) in the future.

So no, there's no compelling reason its set up that way now.--Ltvine | Talk 20:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:King Street Station-1.jpg was uploaded by its creator with GFDL granted, so it should be no problem. The other two were uploaded by User:Lukobe and described as PD images obtained from MOHAI. Lukobe, are you sure these 1913 images either were published pre-1923 or that the photographer died pre-1937? If so, then indeed they are clearly {{PD-US}}. Otherwise, it's not so clear. - Jmabel | Talk 18:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Not absolutely, would have to go back to MOHAI and check. Perhaps there are other images out there with more clear provenance. --Lukobe 18:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

In film

Might be worth mentioning, if someone can find citations: the station appears prominently in two films. Bruce Geller's Harry in Your Pocket centers around a pickpocket who works King Street Station. (In fact, here is a citation on that one). Also, in Alan Rudolph's Trouble in Mind (1985), which makes wonderfully weird use of Seattle (e.g. the art museum in Volunteer Park is a mobster's mansion), the tower of King Street station is Keith Carradine's lair. The latter only has a stub article at the moment; it certainly could use an article, if only to guide non-Seattleites through the warped geography. - Jmabel | Talk 18:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Bachcell's Edits

Concerning edits by User:Bachcell, I appreciate the interior images you contributed. They are well lit and contrast the work that has been done to restore areas of the station with work yet to be done. No other images I have found on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons illustrate the interior restoration work better. Thanks for those.

What I found of less value in Bachcell's original posting to the article were the following two sentences:

"The station is close to downtown, but it is not near the intercity bus terminal. The upper entrance is not used, while the main entrance on the first floor is at a dead-end road."

Why include reference to what the station is 'not' located near? It also isn't in close proximity to Sea-Tac Airport, the Seattle Center Monorail, etc. One could name other transport infrastructures King Street Station is NOT near. My rationale for this argument is similar to the argument submitted concerning the roof tiles (See above). For this reason I removed the reference to the station not being located near the intercity bus terminal from Bachcell's original contribution.

On the other hand I preserved Bachcell's reference to the station being close to downtown. I just moved it to the lead paragraph where the location was described. I felt this to be an appropriate consolidation.

I dispute "the upper entrance is not used..." I believe, the entrance Bachcell refers to is the entrance that faces north on the level of the parking lot off South Jackson Street. Unless changed recently, this is the access point to the station for pedestrians coming from the Metro Transit Tunnel and other points north of the station. Therefore, I removed this statement. My opinion is that this entrance in its current configuration is an awful way to enter a grand train station--but I'm not willing to say that this entrance is not used until others confirm its inaccessibility.

I retained the reference to the main entrance on the first floor being at the end of a dead-end street. I just reworded that and put it in the 'Architecture' section saying, "The clock tower and main entry terminate the axis of King Street in Pioneer Square."

This is how I disposed of the paragraph as posted, originally. Since then (yesterday), Bachcell has inserted the following paragraph at the end of the 'History' section:

"From a practical standpoint, the station is close to downtown. However, unlike cities such as Boston, it is not near the intercity bus terminal. What appears to be an upper entrance is not used. The main entrance on the first floor is at a dead-end road, rather than providing a loop."

So as not to enter into an editorial scuffle, I will forgo revisions to this paragraph to allow other editors an opportunity to judge and apply any edits they feel appropriate for themselves. It will also allow Bachcell an opportunity to review my comments concerning her/his original edits and post a response if he/she should so choose. --Ltvine | Talk 21:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Images revisited

So far I haven't been able to get an answer to my question from either the photographer, or the main WPTrains talk page, so I'm posting it in the image; ----DanTD (talk) 23:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Is this King Street Station, or somewhere else along Amtrak Cascades?

It sure looks like King Street to me. With the bridge in the backround and Superliner cars the next platform over, as well as the colors, that's what it should be. Joshuadkelley (talk) 02:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

It is a picture of King Street Station looking south, so away from the building part of the station. (Quest field in the background)

128.208.36.131 (talk) 19:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 00:04, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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King Street Station (Seattle) → King Street Station – There are no other stations named "King Street", although a station in Alexandria, Virgina is named King Street – Old Town. Redirect is blocking the move. – SounderBruce 23:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

• This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 00:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
• There is a King Street in many towns and cities. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 00:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, many cities have a King Street, but only Seattle and Alexandria have a train station named "King Street" and the latter has a second name. SounderBruce 01:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose King Street – Old Town (WMATA station) the Blue Line and Yellow Line Metro station located in Alexandria, VA is also called "King Street", the (Seattle) is in this title for a reason. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:08, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
• Unsure and then there's Oldham King Street Metrolink station and King (TTC) subway station which is named for King Street. But none of them have only the title "King Street Station". Perhaps a linked disambiguation page would be good enough, since all of the others have some form of distinguishing in their name. Secondarywaltz (talk) and another San Francisco 4th and King Street Station. Secondarywaltz (talk) 06:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose In the case of King (TTC), the locations official name is King Station (which is where that article should likely reside). That being said, there are clearly numerous King Street Sations and I'm not convinced that this is the most prominent.--Labattblueboy (talk) 07:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support. This is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this specific title. It has received 1501 hits in the last 30 days; the WMATA station article has received 552. Furthermore, none of the various articles mentioned above are named King Street Station. Hatnotes can and do handle any other similarly-named stations. The fact that King Street Station has redirected here, and not a disambiguation page, since 2005 is pretty clear indicator. There's no need to preemptively disambiguate, especially when there's no actual conflicting title. Mackensen (talk) 14:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Note that, according to the article, the King Street – Old Town (WMATA station) "was named 'King Street' from its 1983 opening until November 3, 2011, when the station was given its present name" and it is still commonly known as simply "King Street (Station)". —  AjaxSmack  02:16, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. There is a rough consensus that the Seattle station is the primary topic for the term "King Street Station". Jenks24 (talk) 05:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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King Street Station (Seattle) → King Street Station – The base name King Street Station already redirects here and has for over 10 years, meaning the parentheses is unnecessary and malplaced. It's the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as it's the only topic of this title; the two other stations in the hat note are partial title matches with different names, King Street–Old Town station and King (TTC)/"King Station". The Seattle station receives more than double the views of both the other two combined: 4292 hits in 90 days, compared to 909 and 771. (NOTE: proposal updated per my comment below).--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

• Comment Hmm, there's also King (TTC), which is on King Street in Toronto but apparently only known as "King" station. I'll add it to the hat note and dab pages. If this isn't moved, "King Street Station" should be converted to a dab page.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:34, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
  • You are correct. TTC subway stations are not generally referred to as "street", with the exception of Main Street (TTC). But there many other station articles with "King Street" in the title.Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose we can have primary redirect to Seattle and still indicate that it isn't in Virginia or Ontario. For people looking for directions in Alexandria VA or Toronto being sent to Seattle, this isn't helpful. Could lead to missed trains. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Bill Goodwin Frommer's Virginia 2004 "From the King Street Station, it's about a 15-minute walk east on King Street through Old Town's rapidly developing western section"

Jim Loomis All Aboard: The Complete North American Train Travel Guide 2015 Toronto: "There is really only one hotel within walking distance of King Street Station, and I would think twice about staying there if you'll be arriving after dark."

• • These stations, respectively, are King Street–Old Town station in Virginia and King (TTC) in Ontario; neither are just named "King Street". epicgenius (talk) 01:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support. This looks like the primary topic for the title "King Street Station" as seen from these totally unbiased results. (By the way, my IP address is in New York, so definitely no bias there.) epicgenius (talk) 01:54, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support. Most people looking for a "King Street Station" are trying to find the Seattle one, which is an intermodal regional hub and probably has more passenger traffic anyway (even when disconnecting the Chinatown light rail/bus station nearby). SounderBruce 02:05, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose King Street Station should be a disambiguation page. McArthur Parkette (talk) 00:35, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support. Clear case of PRIMARYTOPIC. Also, it says in the lead that this station is in Seattle. It's not necessary to have it in the title. Mackensen (talk) 16:23, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support as primary topic. The PTMs appear to be already addressed through the hatnote and disambiguation page. --Regards, James(^talk/_contribs) 00:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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SoDo

I know Google maps is not always accurate, but FYI, the site places King Street Station within the boundaries of SoDo, not Pioneer Square. Might be worth double checking the "boundaries" of these two districts. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:34, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Seattle has no official neighborhood boundaries. I don't think anyone local would call the station part of SoDo, since it's not as disconnected from downtown. SounderBruce 18:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

TBH, I associate KSS with C-ID, but I'm a new kid on the block. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)