Talk:Kirin Company

Stock holdings

My god, do we need every single freaking stock this company holds in other... well companies? AllStarZ 23:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Overtaken as leader?

If Kirin was overtaken by Asahi as the leader in the Japanese beer market, why does Asahi Breweries claim that Asahi is 2nd largest brewery? Sources please. Dforest (talk) 18:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Lion Breweries

As of Aug 2009, Kirin has not yet taken over Lion Breweries. The reference given is for the acquisition process, not the actual acquisition. See http://www.lion-nathan.co.nz/Investors/Kirin-Proposal.aspx Iam0g (talk) 10:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

stout

when did they start making stout?

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Requested move 19 January 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. There's consensus on removing "limited" but not so much consensus on whether this article is about the company or the holdings. Leaving it as the company for now, since most prose pertains to that, and editors can reassess this at their leisure, and decide whether to fork an article for the holdings. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Kirin Company, Limited → Kirin Company – (or perhaps to Kirin Holdings or Kirin Holdings Company, unless we create a separate article about the parent company). Per WP:NCCORP, the legal status suffix of a company is not normally included in the article title. --Relisted.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC) —BarrelProof (talk) 22:13, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I might suggest (drawing on the section below) moving this article to Kirin Holdings, which definitely incorporates everything shown here. The current article maps much more closely onto the Japanese article on the parent corporation/conglomerate as a whole. That would solve the Co./Ltd. issue as well. The redirects then become accurate but available for expansion into separate articles on the main beverage arms, etc., as necessary. As for the Japanese articles, they are at the equivalent of "Kirin (company)" and "Kirin Holdings". Dekimasuよ! 19:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't disagree, but either way, I plan to eventually fork the article into two. Both the parent and the subsidiary are distinctly notable, and if this article is about the parent, it is not appropriate for it to have so much detail about one of its several subsidiaries (especially with relatively little information about its other subsidiaries). —BarrelProof (talk) 18:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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Holdings or not

The infobox says that "Kirin Company, Limited" is a subsidiary of "Kirin Holdings Company, Limited". But Wikipedia does not have a separate article about the Kirin Holdings Company. That name simply redirects back to this article. Does the Kirin Holdings Company have any other subsidiaries? Is Kirin Holdings really a meaningfully distinct entity, or is it basically the same thing as the Kirin Company? It seems like it would be nice for the article to be about the top-level entity instead of only some part of it. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Digging further, I have found that Kyowa Hakko Kirin seems to be another subsidiary, and the subsidiaries seem to be traded separately on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. The other subsidiary is listed as a holding in this article, but the body of the article only discusses the beverages business. Since these subsidiaries are distinct businesses that are traded separately, I suspect that we should have a separate article about the parent, and list here only the parts of the company that are in the "Kirin Company, Limited" subsidiary. I strongly suspect that many of the other holdings that are listed in the article are also outside of the "Kirin Company, Limited" subsidiary, so the current article seems to be a rather ugly hybrid of a description of the holdings of the parent and the business of one of its subsidiaries. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

• Difficult to say without a lot of research, generally holdings companies aren't very notable, and a lot of our articles on Asian companies are entangled in this way. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:00, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Recent page move

Hi @BarrelProof: just notifying you that this page was moved recently by John baost from Kirin Company to Kirin (company), which goes against the RM you proposed above in 2015. Just to confirm you're happy with this move or whether you regard it as controversial. I don't have much of an opinion on this myself. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:40, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Thanks for the ping. At first glance, I prefer the name "Kirin Company" per WP:NATURAL, and I think that also helps distinguish the company from the Kirin Holdings parent company. I don't know why John baost thought the other title is better. I notice they didn't provide an edit summary when performing the move, which makes it difficult to understand the rationale. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @BarrelProof: and @Amakuru:. Thank you for your message. Sorry for forgetting to put a summary in the move (already clicked in submit when I noticed). I changed because I think "Kirin Company" almost don't appear in the article most of times appear "Kirin Holdings". Also most article that link here only "Kirin" is used. So I thought Kirin (company) would be a better title. Im hope is not controversial. John baost (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)