Talk:Krajina

Ethnic cleansing

Mir Harven - regarding your point that "ICTA indictement is not enough since there was not single instance of Cro. Army deporting Serbs", I think it's fair to say that we have to note the fact of the indictment, and that we should take a properly legalistic line on this. The Serbian cleansing of Croats can be regarded as having been proved in a legal sense thanks to Milan Babić's guilty plea last month. The Croatian cleansing of Serbs is widely regarded as having happened, but in a formal legal sense it's not yet proved. Hence my rewording of that paragraph. -- ChrisO 11:34, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The "ethnic cleanings" were started by the serbian extremists! In croatia during the whole serbian agression lived in other not occupied ares 240.000 Serbs in peace. Even a lot of Serbs was fightig in the Croatian Army217.187.61.195 15:03, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Krajina, meaning border

How come it means border if then everywhere it means area or region or country? --Tigga en 09:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't mean border at all. In Slavic languages, "kraj" also means (beside other meanings) "the area". "Krajina" is the augmentative, but means "the area, regionette around some city (mostly small city)". Kubura 14:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It does mean borderland at least in the Balkans. All the regions here are border areas towards other regions. Similar non-Slavic example is Denmark, literally "Danish Krajina". Nikola 20:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Neighbouring to whome? To some other krajina? Like, whome is Omiška krajina the border area? Or Triljska krajina? Or the municipality of Krajina? Or the Krajina near Makarska?
The word "krajina" is itself an augmentative, from the word "kraj" like in: "u mom rodnom kraju" = "in the area where I was born".
How would you translate it? Maybe as "in the border where I was born"? Don't be silly. Kubura

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"Kraj" is not "krajina", and yes, one krajina can border another. The term is most commonly used for regions on the border of two countries. Nikola 08:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

"Krajina" is augmentative of the word "kraj".
Maybe that word in Serb language had other meanings, but in Croat language has the meanings I've described above. Kubura 08:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Ethymologically, possibly it is the augmentative, so what? Could you cite a dictionary which supports that meaning? Nikola 08:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Turkish Croatia

Whose pestering with such trolling tagging with {{fact}} ?
Someone who find it difficult to type "Croazia turca" in Google, or "Türkisch Kroatien"?
Nikola, if you don't understand Italian and German, here's help. Croatia is "Croazia" in Italian and "Kroatien" in German. Adjective "turkish" is in Italian "turca" and in German "türkisch".
There you have "Turkish Croatia". Kubura 13:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone who sees obvious implication behind the promotion of the term. Nikola 08:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't make extrapolations. Instead, type those words on Google. Don't pester to others because you're too lazy to do so or you don't like to see the facts. Those maps are drawn before you and I were born. Don't behave childish. Kubura 08:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Rebellion

Nikola Smolenski, maybe you weren't neither borned then.
But, I'll help you.
These are rebelled political units, organized by rebelled Serbs.
Rebel Croatian Serb leader Jovan Rašković on a meeting (miting) said: "Ovo je pobuna srpskog naroda!" (This is the rebellion of the Serb people!").
Now, don't tell me that Rašković is pro-Croat source or that Rašković is POV-izing.
Don't make edit wars here, just because you haven't read the sources. Kubura 08:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Er, no. You got your facts wrong. In fact, it were Croats who rebelled against Yugoslavia, and Serbs stayed loyal to it. A single quote by Jovan Raskovic doesn't show otherwise. So, if we follow the facts, we should talk about rebel Croats and rebel Croatia. An acceptable compromise is not to mention term "rebel" at all. Nikola 08:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Croatia hasn't made any military rebellion.
Croatia wasn't the one that blocked the roads with logs and stones and chasing away anyone who wasn't Serb. No Croat or even tourist could go through, local Serb rebels let only Serbs through.
That was the case what local Serb leadership encouraged.
Croatia acted according to the Yugoslavian laws till the very end of Yugoslavia, until Croatia declared independence. Kubura 11:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yes it has. Croatia's arms smuggling in preparation for the rebellion, its independence referendum, were all contrary to Yugoslav laws and constitution.

I agree that Croatia wasn't chasing away anyone who wasn't Serb, though. Unfortunately, it was chasing away everyone who was. Nikola 00:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding "rebellion of Croatia". You POV-ing, Nikola. You even sound funny. Croatia had no armored vehicles (except few buses with armor plated made in shipyard, not in military factory with proper technology - these mostly had moral impact). Croatia had no air force. No military factory' (if any, these were in areas under control of rebel Serbs). All planes, tanks and ships that Croatia somehow captured from JNA were no match to the amount that JNA had. And in these conditions to make military rebellion? Do you take Croatians for fools? Kubura 09:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you implying that if you have no tanks or airplanes you can't start a rebellion? Nikola 03:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding "smuggling of weapons". Of course. What did you have in mind? That Croatia would stay without weaponry (produced and exclusively imported through Serbia and Montenegro) while Serb extremists rattled with weapons (in fact, local Serb armed rebellion in Croatia was 4 months in the full swing) and call for dismembering of Croatia/taking of Croatian territory? Especially when JNA directly interfered into the police intervention of Croatian police forces (disrupting the attempt of Croatian police forces to suppress terrorist activities)? The army deals with outer enemy, not with internal things. That's why police is under the Ministry of Internal affairs. That Serb hardliners in Yugoslav Presidency would allow Croatia to buy it? Maybe via Belgrade? Maybe you think that Croatia should ask Serbia for permittance to buy weapons? Who the hell is some other republic to tell Croatia what she can do or not? Kubura 09:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

And that is precisely why arms smuggling is illegal in any country. Why in the hell do you think that presidency of Yugoslavia should have allowed Croatia to buy weapons which Croatian extremists would later use to separate from Yugoslavia? The army in SFRY dealt with both external and internal enemy. Nikola 03:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Ragarding "referendum was against laws". That's your POV. Read former Yugoslav constitution. Badinteur's Committee has given its conclusions. Kubura 09:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not just my POV. Constitutional court of Yugoslavia declared separation of Slovenia as unconstitutional. Conclusions of Badinter's Committee are false. Nikola 03:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Constitution of Yugoslavia has been dead from 1990. If JNA has acted like it is writen in constitution then they have needed to break Serb rebellion in Croatia. I think (maybe wrong) that it is armed rebellion when civilians with firearms close roads and railroads which has been done by krajina Serbs on October 3 1990 !! Rjecina 16:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Reagarding "chasing of Serbs". Nikola, read again the data I've posted previously. Don't behave like you don't know anything, you've contributed on those pages also. Rebel Serb authorities prepared and organized the evacuation of Serbs, as well as their property. These preparations were made in early years of the war. Or you don't believe to Serb sources? Kubura 09:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

This is the stupidest excuse for ethnic cleansing I've ever heard. Nikola 03:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Ethymology

You can't apply the rule of one language to another. Nikola, I don't have to explain (remind you on) you the case of "a pig" and "little children".
In short, I've left the subtitles for different languages, so everyone can put there for their language appropriate data. Kubura 11:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

But you apparently can, having applied dictionary of Serbo-Croatian language to Serbian language.

Subtitles are ugly, I believe you will agree with my change. Nikola 00:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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