Talk:Kuwohi

Highest Point

The article states that Clingman's Dome is the highest point in Tenn, in the GSMNP, and along the AT. It is also the highest point in the U.S. east of the Mississippi River. Barryclinton (talk) 19:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Unless there is a very very recent measurement of which I'm unaware, Mount Mitchell is the highest east of the Miss. River. Bms4880 (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Clingmans dome is the third highest peak east of the Mississippi river after Mount Mitchell and Mount Craig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.119.226.143 (talk) 14:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Gallery

The gallery is out of hand in my opinion. See Photo galleries. Some one could move the gallery to Commons --DRoll (talk) 05:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC).

How do I go about adding photos to the gallery. I have some recent photos from the top of the observation deck that I feel would look nice in the gallery section. --Magik Mayne (talk) 22:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

The gallery is already a mess, and I'm not certain it doesn't violate WP:NOTREPOSITORY. Bms4880 (talk) 20:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

short form

The mountain group is normally referred to by the full title, "The Great Smoky Mountains," or "The Smokies," for short, as in the second paragraph of "Access." Ragityman (talk) 20:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Gallery 2017-04-03

I don't know if the Gallery is still "out-of-hand". I have made some corrections to the captions.

• IMO, the cloudy day picture, previously erroneously captioned as showing a "A particularly "smoky" day ...", offers nothing notable specific to Clingmans Dome, and could be removed. In this photo, the mountains and any VOC "smoke" are largely obscured by normal low cumulus clouds (apparently mistaken as "smoke"). Other images actually portraying the "smoke" are provided in the Great Smoky Mountains article. I might have a clear photo of the smoke from the dome that I can upload later, but it was taken during the recent fires and the actual smoke plumes from fires might be misinterpreted.
• The observation tower trail pictures were erroneously mislabeled "Clingmans Dome". The "dome" is the mountain itself, not the Observation Tower.
• The observation tower architecture is notable as a registered Historic Place, so the concrete ramp and tower pictures might be kept, only so much as they record the tower and ramp -- the general foot trail photographs are less notable, but the trailhead photo does show (incidentally) the unusual access the lower trail provides to the outcrop of the metaconglomerate of the Copperhill Formation.
• I think the hikers are actually past the start of the steep grade, maybe a third up.

IveGoneAway (talk) 22:39, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

True elevation 6660 ft?

Is the actual elevation of CD 6660 feet? I was poking around altitude.nu and put the pin down on a part of the mountain that registered 6660 feet. Also, this old North Carolina book lists the altitude as 6660 ft.

Guessing there may be some reasons it is not officially listed as 6660 feet (if it is in fact the true elevation). One is the 666 part of the number. Then, guessing the builders of the tower wanted it to be in both states, so they didn't put it at the actual peak, which is well into NC. Although, it looks like the tower is entirely in NC anyhow. The base of the tower's looping sidewalk appears to be partly in TN. A park ranger told me the "pedestal" of the tower is in TN, but I'm not so sure.

One thing for sure: The NPS is secretive about all of this and there is no USGS marker at the peak (or that's what they say). There is a relatively unimportant marker next to the parking lot.

https://books.google.com/books?id=4z8TAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=elevation+of+clingmans+dome+6660+feet?&source=bl&ots=qgKEj2QnhC&sig=w1KvUYvTHUTd0ga3hi7URpxqG3E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ0drvmNrVAhVKLyYKHcRiA_UQ6AEIRDAE#v=onepage&q=elevation%20of%20clingmans%20dome%206660%20feet%3F&f=false

http://altitude.nu/

BillVol (talk) 21:50, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

The tower is north of the peak to preserve the site and to gain grade for the lower ramp. The USGS 2016 7.5 minute topo suggests more than 6600 but maybe less than 6640. USGS pubs have it at 6643. This NPS pub lists it at 6660. My guess is that the 6660 is an old datum. Go find out for sure, knock yourself out. IveGoneAway (talk) 01:22, 17 August 2017 (UTC) 01:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that info. Where did you learn the reasoning for putting the tower where it is? Also, do you know in which state the tower and ramp are situated? BillVol (talk)

You forgot to date your comment. Remember four tildes. Not three. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 18:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Clingmans dome

When do they close clingmans dome for the season? 2601:843:C202:2AC0:7559:F037:CE1A:129B (talk) 22:32, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Renaming - confederate

Clingman did become a confederate general several years after this mountain was named for him. But his background does not seem to have been part of the debate over the name change recently. Articles mention native heritage, the trail of tears, native boarding schools, etc. The only mention of Clingman himself I found was that he did not live in the area and had no descendants to be offended by the name change. Rmhermen (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Cherokee name - syllabary

There appears to be two equally valid ways to spell Kuwohi in Cherokee, ᎫᏬᎯ & ᎫᏩᎯ. Should the article reflect that? Dosbears (talk) 21:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Foreign language articles

I am requesting anyone who knows the above languages (except German and Simple English they’ve already done it) to update the articles to match the new name. I have moved the title in Simple English, French, and Latin Wikipedia; the latter two still need the text within the article to be updated; and I can’t because my understanding of French and Latin is very limited (barely userbox level 1 at best); I had to use Google Translate just to provide an edit summary on both of those. I have also left talk page messages on a couple other Wikipedias (again using Google Translate) to request moves. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I’ve left messages on multiple wikis. Someone is going to update the text on the Italian Wikipedia. Have yet to get replies on some of the other ones. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I’ve also at least attempted to update the entry on the French Wikipedia. Hopefully I did it correctly; but I think it would be wise if someone who knows French goes and proofreads it just to make sure. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I’ve also just gotten in contact with someone who welcomed me on the Portuguese Wikipedia; I’ve brought up the Kuwohi issue with that editor. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 06:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

They have now changed it on the Portuguese and Norwegian Wikipedias. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Update: I was able to find the Spanish Wikipedia’s version of the village pump; and got someone to rename the article to the new Kuwohi name. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 15:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I have also tentatively contacted an administrator on the Polish Wikipedia for help on there; I have not heard back yet. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 15:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I got someone on Danish Wikipedia to update the title; but the information within the article still uses the old name; and apparently the person (who is an administrator over there) wasn’t too happy that I directly talk page messaged him about it. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:38, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Polish Wikipedia has also been updated. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 01:38, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Attention EVERYONE WHO KNOWS SPANISH: we need to find sources specifically in Spanish. Because I didn’t know this but they require the sources to be in Spanish over there; they don’t allow (for our purposes) foreign language sources.

I probably made Spanish Wikipedia mad because I posted my reply in English; but I don’t know Spanish (no habla español), so I don’t think I would be able to find those sources. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 05:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

pronunciation

what is the correct cherokee pronunciation and can an English pronunciation guide be included at the top? 24.209.136.142 (talk) 15:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Cherokee pronunciation will vary between different communities and especially between speakers of the Eastern and Western dialects, and both Kuwahi and Kuwohi are correct and interchangeable depending on the speaker. The root word is "kuwa" and the terminal vowl is typically dropped in speech (and Cherokee is foremost a spoken language rather than written), so adding the "-hi" suffix (locative) can alter the pronunciation further. Both would be understood. Pyrocatch (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)