Talk:LGBTQ people in prison

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List?

It seems appropriate to have a list of people imprisoned because of their sexuality, or notable LGBT prisoners in general? -- Beland (talk) 16:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Thats not really the point of this article. Though I think a section should be written about homosexuals who thrive in prison. Not that I know much about these things, but films and television insist that particularly 'powerful' prisoners may have 'girlfriends'. Perhaps not in the USA though, where homophobia is more rife.--EchetusXe (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't necessarily mean they're gay. Exploding Boy (talk) 00:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Well yeah. Anyway that article you linked to seems to cover it.--EchetusXe (talk) 00:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

softie tank

I can't find any sources for the term "softie tank" anywhere on the web. Can someone cite this? I'm assuming it refers to a place for smaller/weaker people to be isolated so they're not severely assaulted in prison, but obviously since there's no sources...who knows.

70.181.247.170 (talk) 22:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Assaults

According to Just Detention International, 67% of all LGBT people report being assaulted while in prison

This statistic is meaningless without context. What percent of the prison population at large report being assaulted? If it's 67%, too, then the phrase should be struck from the article, for example. Comet Tuttle (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Situation in Argentina

"Opposite-sex conjugal visits have long been permitted, but a case in the central province of Córdoba has authorized same-sex conjugal visits as well."

I don't think this information is current. Argentina approved gay marriage last year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Njrwally (talk • contribs) 01:54, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

"Expert Witnesses"

I removed the scare quotes from the term "expert witnesses" in the notes section. (The wardens who said that cutting prisoners' hair prevents rape by homosexuals.) Disagreeing with their opinion doesn't make it okay to scare quote their credentials to vaguely imply a lack thereof. They were fully and legally recognized as expert witnesses by the court, and should be treated as such by this article. If you disagree with their opinion, go find a reputable source that contradicts them and add it. Whind Soull (talk) 01:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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Repeated information and opinionated statements

"The Canadian Correctional Service in the Pacific Region alone had six transsexual inmates as of September 1994 with sentences of nine years or over and three with life imprisonment" this statement is present twice in the article. Once with a "for example", and the second time alone. Additionally, these two statements are fairly opinionated "Individuals with relatively short prison sentences the requirement of completing the life trial within society does not seem unreasonable. Prison is not generally an appropriate setting for transsexual individuals to make decisions which are irreversible" 73.18.183.133 (talk) 15:27, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

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Reply to Mari

Hi Mari,

After reading the article in question, I noticed that each paragraph has at least one source which is listed at the end. I am wondering if all of the information was written in reference to the cited source. I feel that it would be easier to add a repeat source after a few sentences instead of one. Also, I think it would be better to not use "According to, […]". Instead, give a summary of what was discussed within the source, and add a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustAnotherAlly (talk • contribs) 20:32, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Current Policy Reasoning under the U.S. Constitution and Law

I would like to add to different sections on this wikipedia article in regards to the legal reasoning and basis behind current American prison policies. Members of the LGBTQ community are granted certain rights under the 8th and 14th amendment -- protection from sexual and physical assault and equal health and medical care. Not to mention, changing policy due to Title IX of the education amendments, which grants equal access to government funded educational programs and services, demanding there not be any discrimination on the basis of gender and/or sexual orientation. Hhawe1 (talk) 17:06, 2 December 2019 (UTC)Hhawe1

Transgender double criminals abusing their status in prison

We are missing e.g. Karen White as a prominent case: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

Let us add it as a category and herein, also for NPOV sake.

Zezen (talk) 12:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

That's a bad edit, I reverted it. Zezen has been blocked for this type of edits.--Astral Leap (talk) 10:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Nazi Germany

I'm not sure where to put this content as the only by-country section is for LGBT healthcare, which this is not.

Arnold Bastian (1908–1945) was arrested in 1944 for his homosexuality and died in prison in 1945.

Most men who were persecuted for homosexuality were convicted in the civil legal system and imprisoned. In Germany, it had long been the practice to isolate homosexual prisoners in individual cells but because of the vast increase in arrests, this proved to be impractical. In addition, the economic exploitation of prisoner labor meant many prisoners were held in labor camps and housed in barracks. While some officials built tiny, one-man cells to keep homosexual prisoners isolated, other officials distributed homosexuals among the general prison population and encouraged "brutal homophobia" to isolate homosexuals. Homosexual prisoners did not have to wear a badge but could be identified by red underlining on their name tags.

Before 1933 prison sex had been common but its prevention and punishment became much more important under Nazi rule. Any prisoner who tried to initiate a same-sex relationship, even if it did not result in any physical contact, could expect harsh punishment. The wardens relied on informers among the inmates to deter same-sex activity. Despite facing discrimination, however, homosexual prisoners were much better off in the prisons than in concentration camps. Some homosexual prisoners were coerced into accepting castration after being threatened with transfer to a concentration camp when they finished their sentence.

References

• Wachsmann, Nikolaus (2015) [2004]. Hitler's Prisons: Legal Terror in Nazi Germany. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-22829-8.

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Requested move 24 February 2024

LGBT people in prison → LGBTQ people in prison – I'm proposing this move to bring the title into sync with the language of the article. "LGBTQ" is used in the article, and it's also used in the sources that I spot-checked. —Of the universe (say hello) 23:51, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

The other option is to edit the article to say "LGBT." I'm really indifferent between LGBTQ and LGBT, I just want it to be consistent. —Of the universe (say hello) 00:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Also, the article should probably include jail as well, so we maybe should change the article title to "LGBTQ people in prison and jail" or "Incarceration of LGBTQ people." —Of the universe (say hello) 00:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Shorter is better. LGBTQ isn't used in all of the sources. The acronym 'LGBT' includes all forms of gender identity by default, and we use it as the term in the sidebar specific to LGBT topics. Zenomonoz (talk) 01:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. I'll wait to close this to see if anyone else has a dissenting opinion. —Of the universe (say hello) 04:53, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Unless there is something unique here, the article title should match the parent topic, LGBT, which does not use the "Q". Gonnym (talk) 09:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Gonnym and all other "LGBT in..." articles. There may be a time where LGBTQ becomes the standard on-wiki initialism (as per an increasing number of style guides), but this will require a more centralised discussion. – GnocchiFan (talk) 12:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Result: Withdrawn — the title should reflect the language of the overarching Wikiproject, and within the article "LGBTQ" can be used when the cited source uses "LGBTQ."

V-coding Sources

This section cites Kulak 2018 in support of the claim that V-coding is common. Kulak does indeed describe it as common, but they cite in turn Resistance Behind Bars, which does not support this claim. In fact, the relevant chapter doesn't mention transgender issues at all. Does Wikipedia have a solution for this sort of situation?

This section additionally describes V-coding as "a central part of a trans woman's sentence," again citing Kulak and again supported by their text. But again, Kulak gets this quotation from a book (Captive Genders) that simply does not support Kulak's claim. The author writes, "The placement of such coercion inside of prison, however, serves to locate pimping as a central part of a transwoman’s sentence." It does not say that V-coding is common or central, only that when it happens, it makes pimping a central part of the sentence.

I'm not sure what Wikipedia policy is in situations like this. Can Kulak's paper (not peer-reviewed) be removed on the basis of being a low-quality source? Can these claims be linked more directly to the sources Kulak cited, circumventing their paper, and then removed due to being unsupported by the new source? Jkusak (talk) 04:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jkusak I support removal. I haven't done enough research myself to be sure, but it doesn't seem like "v-coding" is a widespread term either, as a Google search only brings up this article and a reddit post. I support removing the dubious claims, removing the v-coding subsection, and merging the remaining text with the above section. You can refer to this talk page section in your edit summary. —Of the universe (say hello) 17:24, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

V-Coding - Why are they called "Customers"

"The prisoners serving as customers"

"Trans women who physically resist the customer's advances"

Why are we calling their abusers "customers"? Seriously, it's only used in one paragraph to describe people abusing trans women, so it really comes of as a justification (and therefore breaks NPOV, etc, etc).

If customer is some sort of technical term from sex trafficking, I think that needs to be explained, since any reasonable reader would just assume that this is referring to a normal customer. Crelb (talk) 06:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Crelb Be bold and change the wording. —Of the universe (say hello) 01:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)