Talk:La Guêpe (film)

Requested move 8 August 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved – La Guêpe has been redirected to Guêpe (disambiguation) and there is apparent consensus that it's the optimal solution. No such user (talk) 07:22, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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La Guêpe (film) → La Guêpe – Unnecessary disambiguation. Bearcat did this move, but then self-reverted it momentarily later. GeoffreyT2000 ^{(talk, contribs)} 21:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

• For the record, the reason I self-reverted is that once I performed the move, the undabbed title's "what links here" list suddenly included links for topics which were quite clearly not this film, such as List of gliders (miscellaneous). I see, for the record, that everything on that list is a redlink, so the glider of this name might not actually be notable at all (or at least not notable enough to claim WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rights over this), but the fact that there was a different topic of the same name waiting for that title was a sufficient basis to forestall arbitrarily moving this without having a full discussion first. I don't object to the proposed move at all, however — I merely wanted to explain my reasoning for what I did. Bearcat (talk) 21:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@Bearcat: presumably the redlinks you found were headed for the article La Guêpe (aircraft)? The listing in List of gliders (miscellaneous) appears to be wrong, as it is an ultralight not a glider. I have removed it. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:51, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nomination — sole such title. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 08:08, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose no evidence, above comment "sole such title" is no reason. Looking at fr:La Guêpe, there clearly are several topics, none of which sticks out as a natural automatic reference. Have created a dab at Guêpe without La, but suggest La Guêpe redirects to it, or vice versa. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:04, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

A quick check on "La Guêpe was" shows entries for La Guêpe (ship) for which we have an article under the HMS name after it was captured. Doing the same search with "La Guêpe is" hits a poem. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:32, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

In addition to all of that, it warrants mention that the film project's actual rule about film articles is that we use the title that the film was released with to anglophone markets, if one can be properly verified — we leave them at the original French title only if (a) we can't verify an English language title at all, or (b) the film is one of those fairly rare instances (e.g. Incendies or Monsieur Lazhar) where the film actually retained its original French title even when it got dubbed or subtitled into English (i.e. we don't perform our own original research translations for films not actually known by that alternate title.) So yes, sometimes films from Quebec start out at their original French titles, because either the film doesn't have an English title at all or we just haven't found what it is yet — but if and when an English title is actually located, the article needs to be moved to that title. That said, it should still stay on the Guêpe dab page, because some users will likely search for it by its original French name, and I don't feel comfortable prematurely moving it while this discussion is still underway on this talk page — but the correct title for this article is now Scalp (film) rather than La Guêpe. Bearcat (talk) 18:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose and redirect La Guêpe to Guêpe per In ictu oculi. No such user (talk) 10:42, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
• Point undabbed title to the Guêpe dab page per In ictu oculi. Bearcat (talk) 18:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. Definitely not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the ship and plane.[1] La Guêpe should point to disambiguation.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
• Comment. Would support a move to Scalp (film), per Bearcat, if such a nomination were to be submitted. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 13:57, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't see much or any evidence that the film was ever released in English. The only poster is French. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:21, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

We don't require a film poster as proof of the existence of an English title; we merely require that an English title is verifiable in some form of reliable sourcing, which it is. Bearcat (talk) 19:59, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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What would probably help readers more than removing (film) here would be uploading the poster. I've found a copy here if someone wants to do the honours. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:25, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Done In ictu oculi (talk) 13:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)