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La Riojan culture: How did it evolved
editIt is a relatively young autonomous region, but the Riojans are culturally distinct from Castillians, to compare as much the Texans are from the rest of the United States. The Riojan people were highly influenced by an earlier Basque or Celtic presence until the Romans occupied Iberia in the 1st century BC, then a large influx of Goths in the 6th century settled the upper Ebro valley, fell under the small dynasty of a converted Islamic Hispano ruling class: the Banu Qasi in the 9th century; and finally, taken by the Navarrese in the 11th century. The upper Ebro river valley as part of the Kingdom of Navarre was involuntarily adjoined by Castile in the 15th century.
Therefore, the geographic isolation of La Riojans, like the Pasiegos, Eonavian and Cantabrian peoples in northern Spain, created a separate locality than the rest of Castile they belonged to as a former province of Logrono until the 1970's. You have some Riojans identify themselves like a separate microcosm apart from Castille or Spain, or one can say an ethnocultural race apart, different from the Basque, Celtic, Latin, Germanic, to lacked Morroccan lineage and even modern European identification. We can safely say La Riojan culture evolved in its' own rite by a self-imposed isolation, but they allowed themselves to be allied with Castile and later the Kingdom of Spain in 1492.
The mythological Riojan people could be linked to the period of Visigoths continually held on their culture, or according to the Chilean physician Nicolas Palacios in his 1910's novel La Raza Chilena they were still Gothic by ethnology and they managed to emigrate out of Spain into the Southerntip of South America (Chile) during the colonial era in the 16th century and later the Gothic-Spanish settlers highly intermarried with the Mapuche Indians, therefore Palacios proposed in his book, that the Chilean mestizo are the closest descendants of the last Goths...and Chileans shared similar physiological features and cultural traits with their Northern European ancestry.
Also the mainstay of Gothic Spaniards of Germanic/Nordic origin were in the valleys of the Cantabrian mountains whom did not blended in the Latin Castilian majority, or said Palacios, to explain the Hispano-Goths survived assimilation and the Goths were a martial race, a group of skilled warriors served under Castilian cavalries during the Middle ages. The Goths might have adapted the Romance language of Spain, the Roman Catholic church of Christianity and other characteristics of their adapted homeland, but sooner as the La Riojans, they are not exact replicas of Castillians. + 71.102.12.55 (talk) 23:48, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Propose title change to "La Rioja, Spain".
editSeems more consistent with other geo pages. Saintrain (talk) 17:52, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move 12 April 2020
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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 18:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
La Rioja (Spain) → La Rioja – Currently La Rioja is a redirect to Rioja, a disambiguation page. I believe that the Spanish region is the primary topic for "La Rioja" (not "Rioja" itself, as there is strong competition from the wine). It's mainly up against the Argentinian province and city. Although the populations are similar, the Spanish region is far more well-known to an international audience and has had greater long-term significance over the centuries. For comparison, the primary topic of Worcester is the city of England, avoiding disambiguation with a city in Massachusetts nearly double the size; you really have to get to the extent of Boston before the namesake overtakes the original. Pageviews also show that the Spanish region is dominant (you can ignore the coronavirus-related spike which propped up the Spanish region even higher). King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:40, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom—clear primary topic. buidhe 20:56, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
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