Talk:Lake Worth Beach, Florida

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William Calley

Would some of you chime in for a consensus on this mention of William Calley as a famous resident? I vote no. (I've reverted once, but I'm not going to go back and forth.) I disagree with "famous residents" sections in general, but I'm not everyone. I cannot find WP policy on the subject, however it just doesn't seem encyclopedic, especially when the person in question doesn't even live in LW anymore. Should we include him in Palm Beach County as well? Florida? United States? He went to school and worked there, too. - Chris 04:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Although you may agree with these sections, they have frequently been upheld. Also, there is typcailly no requirement that the person be a current resident (again, see Fort Lauderdale for examples). Your point about FL / US is a straw man argument -- there is no precedent for a list of this sort at that level of generality and there is no evidence that anyone is trying to create such a precedent. I added Calley because he is an extremely well-known individual who lived in Lake Worth. Hopefully this list will grow beyond him -- I am sure there are some other notables from Lake Worth -- but he is the one I know right now, so that growth will have to come through good ol Wikipedia cooperation. Posterofwilliamcalleyinfo 05:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I vote no as well, but given the number of articles he is listed under, this at least makes some sense. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

If you are going to look at logical fallacies, you should compare your Ft. Lauderdale point with this or this. Why should I assume it's kosher because it's done at Ft. Lauderdale? And the PB/FL/US argument is a straw man? You are arguing that an article for a named, geographic area have a list of famous residents. In my wacky little head, placing a person as a former resident in a city is the same thing. Should a famous person be listed at every town or city where s/he lived? Would you put this list in the William Calley article? - Chris 14:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to get into fancy logic games (obviously I am not as smart as you, so you win). I was just giving an example of one of the many pages where individuals with a connection to a city similar to Calley's connection to Lake Worth have had their inclusion on the city page upheld. My specific point with PB/FL/US is that there is no general precedent for including famous residents at a broader geographic listing than city. Should a famous person be listed every town/city where he / she lives? Perhaps not everywhere, but Calley's time in Lake Worth is a prominent part of most short bios of him. Thus, perhaps a standard would be places where said person has spent a notable period of his life.On the other end, the standard, arrived at through consensus on other sites, clearly does not require that the person was born in a place or currently lives there. Look, I recognize that this is a debatable point. I just dont appreciate some users suggesting that my Calley edits have been in anything less than good faith -- at the very least, they fall in the grey area between notability and non-notability. Posterofwilliamcalleyinfo 14:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I hope you don't think I was suggesting you were not editing in good faith. I have nothing on which to assume otherwise. I think your username draws attention and probably some prejudice (in the purest sense of the word), but there's certainly nothing wrong with being a "poster of William Calley info". My disagreement with this issue is really more high-level, with the very inclusion of sections particularly for famous or notable residents (past or present). You are right, there is no precedent for such lists at larger geographic levels; I simply feel the precedent even at the city level is bad. In my personal opinion, an article on a city (or any geo-political area) should not include any reference to its residents unless their notability is directly related to the city itself (e.g. the mayor, founder, conqueror). Can you imagine if there was a "famous residents" list for New York City or LA? For the moment, I've put out a feeler for guidelines or policy on this subject as I am not aware of any that exist. I think this is just a matter of opinion, of which mine appears to be the minority. You won't see any reverts from me on this unless someone points out a guideline supporting my opinion. - Chris 15:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

It appears that there is indeed no guideline or policy on the subject. And, after reading the comments from others, I see the point in articles for smaller cities; for larger lists, categories (e.g. NYC or LA) or dedicated articles (e.g. List of people from Miami) are the way to go. Sorry for being a pill. - Chris 15:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Famous/Infamous residents: William Calley redux

To revisit this question: upon reviewing numerous biographical articles on William Calley, I note that there is only the slimmest of connections between Calley and Lake Worth, notwithstanding the claim above that "Calley's time in Lake Worth is a prominent part of most short bios of him". Calley graduated from high school in Miami and attended (then-)Palm Beach Junior College (PBJC) for one year. While most people in the area generally consider the college to be "in" Lake Worth (even though technically it is in an unincorporated part of the county), most people don't consider attending college somewhere for a year as making you a "resident" of that place.

After dropping out of PBJC in 1964, Calley apparently went back to Miami and drifted from job to job. He worked for the railroad that year ("He got a job in 1964 with the Florida East Coast Railroad and soon became a conductor."[1]). He then returned to Palm Beach County, including apparently a short interlude in Lake Worth proper ("Eventually Calley left Miami. ... He went to Palm Beach where he had attended school and took a job as a bellhop, later went to Lake Worth and washed dishes in a restaurant. Then he drifted westward. He became a salesman, an appraiser for an insurance company in New Orleans, still essentially rootless." [2]). He left Florida in 1965 ("In 1965, he started drifting west in a brand-new Buick Wildcat." [3]). He enlisted in the Army in New Mexico on July 26, 1966.[4]

Given that timeframe, with the second semester of college, then working on the railroad and as a bellhop all in 1964, Calley can't have spent more than a few months in Lake Worth at the dishwasher job before departing Florida in 1965.

There is really no basis upon which to call Calley a famous/infamous resident of Lake Worth, and unless someone can come up with a more convincing argument otherwise, I will remove the reference. To the extent Calley is an infamous resident of anywhere, it is Columbus, Georgia, where he has been living for the past several decades. After that, one could make a case for Miami, if one is determined to tie down someone described in most articles as "drift[ing]" and "rootless" before entering the Army.

Note that this is not an attempt to whitewash any questionable details about Lake Worth. The Charles Whitman and Mark Foley connections to the town are well-documented.

Separately, Wade Korpi should be removed from the famous/infamous residents list. I don't see how a college sophomore baseball player qualifies as "famous". If and when he goes pro, that may change. By contrast, Lake Worth High School grad Otis Thorpe, with 17 seasons in the NBA, should be on the list. Airbornelawyer 07:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have added and removed some names from the list. Please note: I removed "Joseph Noto- Classical Musician" because I could find no reference to this person by searching for various permutations of the name and variants of "classical music", "music", etc. If the name was misspelled, or if there is a source I missed, please provide. I included Lake Worth native Andy Hansen, although he does not appear to have a Wikipedia page yet, because he did play 9 seasons of professional sports (albeit as a somewhat mediocre player). Hansen and Mayo Smith both went to Lake Worth High School. Although I don't believe Smith's current Wikipedia bio notes his Lake Worth connection, an October 21, 2006 Palm Beach Post column on his widow did address it.[5] Airbornelawyer 21:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 March 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Calidum 17:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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Lake Worth, Florida → Lake Worth Beach, Florida – Voters in the city of Lake Worth voted to change the name to Lake Worth Beach.

Bradleyll (talk) 05:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. В²C ☎ 18:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

This report says the change will be implemented slowly. The city's official web site hasn't changed as of noon March 13, 2019. While an article move would appear to be inevitable, we shouldn't do so until the name change is official. I will move protect the article for now. - Donald Albury 16:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Oppose If I wanted to make a guess, I imagine it's something the city needs to do before the fiscal year ends (September 30th). – The Grid (talk) 20:27, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Decided to read the ballot and it will amend the city's Charter Code. However, it seems vague. There's no effective date on the item so no idea how (and when) the new commission will enact this. – The Grid (talk) 20:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose as too soon. As indicated by the above comments, there is no specific effective date for that passed ballot initiative, and that the city will implement the change "slowly". Thus for now, it neither passes WP:COMMONAME nor WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support The city's web site now says "Lake Worth Beach". I haven't found any news about the change dated later than March 13, but the web site change seems enough to me. - Donald Albury 11:49, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

  Still not good for me in terms of COMMONAME. Furthermore, I noticed that the web site (as of today) still reads the address as "City of Lake Worth, 7 North Dixie Highway, Lake Worth, FL 33460". The USPS may still not recognize the new name? Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

  I don't think the Post Office designation will be definitive. The Post Office applies the name "Lake Worth" to a delivery area (including nine ZIP codes) that is much larger than the city limits (For eight years I had a Lake Worth address and got electricity from the Lake Worth Utilities, but never lived in the City of Lake Worth) and the Lake Worth Post Office is in the unincorporated area west of the city. The stated reason for changing the city's name was to distinguish it from the large unincorporated area that also has Lake Worth adresses. WP articles about municipalities (at least in the U.S.) are about the incorporated entities, not about the postal delivery areas. The Post Office might change the designation of ZIP Code 33460, which includes all of the city plus a few bits of unincorporated area, to Lake Worth Beach, or they might change everything now called Lake Worth to Lake Worth Beach, which would negate most of the perceived value of the name change. - Donald Albury 14:38, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

  @Donald Albury: The website change looks to be a bandaid. Going into any page within the website still omits Beach. It's more frustrating that their official Twitter uses Beach with no news on the name change. It looks like they're still in the middle of electing commissioners which does provide explanation for no effective date on the ballot. Do we have any recent examples of a city changing its name on here? – The Grid (talk) 13:45, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

  @The Grid: Back in December 2005 I moved Cutler Ridge, Florida, a CDP, to Cutler Bay, Florida, which had incorporated in January 2005. There was no discussion on the talk page before or after the move. Of course, I did a lot of things in WP back then that I would at least hesitate to do now. - Donald Albury 14:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

  @Donald Albury: That's understandable especially talking about Wikipedia in another time period. I wouldn't be against the move but at the same time I feel like the page wouldn't need to be moved until a certain date is announced. – The Grid (talk) 16:58, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

  @The Grid: I was bold, and no one reverted me or complained. It did not occur to me that the move might be controversial, and, as it turned out, it wasn't. I wish I could think of a more clear-cut case of a city changing its name after its WP article existed. - Donald Albury 19:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• Relisting comment. Seems like this could be a quickly changing border line case. Not WP:RECENTISM because that applies to brief notability - this change might be "recent" but it's not a spike in news issue - it's about whether the COMMONNAME has changed yet. At this point consensus is unclear on this point, but given the website change during the duration of the discussion so far, it seems like giving it another week might be fruitful. --В²C ☎ 18:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Wait for sources. As with any other geographical name change, we shouldn't move the page until reliable sources have started using the new name. ONR (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

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Notable events section

I blanked this section, as it related a single incident which did not happen in Lake Worth Beach. William Moldt was reported missing from Lantana, Florida, and his remains were found in Wellington, Florida. See the following sources to verify this: [6] [7] (the second was used in the article, so this is a sort of "failed verification" revert). ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Question on edit

Moved conversation from User talk:Donald Albury

Hello, I saw you reverted my change adding Hidden Oaks Elementary school to the Lake Worth Beach, Florida article for "School zone is west of Lantana, does not include Lake Worth Beach". My first question is, was the source I cited sufficient? I saw most of the other schools listed cited (now dead) links to pdfs published by palmbeachschools.org that (presumably) led to zoning maps. Secondly, if the school isn't in Lake Worth Beach, as its address is, then under what city article would it be listed? My only other guess is Boynton Beach, Florida, since it is close to the border on where the cities meet. I'm just confused as the school lists itself as being in Lake Worth (Beach). Pbshiver (talk) 16:09, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pbshiver: Looking at the attendance map you linked, the attendance zone lies between Old Boynton Road and the L-17 canal, which is about midway between Hypoluxo Road and West Lantana Road. The attendance zone is entirely east of Lawrence Road. Parts of the attendance zone may be within the city limits of Boynton Beach, but it is nowhere near the city of Lake Worth Beach. You cannot rely on postal addresses to determine whether something is in the city. The Post Office includes everything between West Palm Beach and Boynton Beach in the Lake Worth postal zone (see Palm Beach County Zip Code Map - Cities), including the municipalities of Lantana, Hypoluxo, Atlantis, Green Acres, and maybe others I don't remember, as well as the unincorporated areas out to the Loxahatchee Preserve. The article is about the city of Lake Worth Beach, not the postal delivery zone. - Donald Albury 18:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah alright. Thank you for clearing this up for me. Pbshiver (talk) 18:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)