Talk:2012 Leeds City Council election

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Latest comment: 12 years ago by Tomtomn00 in topic Requested move

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Failed. This is correct name, should not be changed. --Tomtomn00 (talkcontributions) 19:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

Leeds City Council election, 2012Leeds Council election, 2012 – Revert to original title which follows long-established pattern (see Category:Council elections in West Yorkshire). Page was WP:BOLDly moved by an editor who then edited the redirect with the result that the move could not be reverted. There have been a batch of similar pattern-breaking page moves, as can be seen at the bold editor's contributions list. PamD 17:27, 1 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
But what if they were wrong to begin with? If someone makes a thousand articles all based on the same initital template that has an error, then it's OK to continue with that error? Lugnuts (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Well, if you disagree with the long-established pattern of the council election articles then go to somewhere like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject England where you can put your case on how those article titles should be renamed. This a major issue which covers all the English council election articles, whatever the year. It should not be done by bold moves by one user without any consensus. HLE (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Done - thanks for the heads up. As there wasn't a consensus to the naming conventions to begin with, I thought I'd take up the initative. Shame no-one else has put any effort into these articles. Lugnuts (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
I think this clinches it. The website for Leeds calls it "Leeds City Council Elections". Hard to argue against this. Surely it's WP:OR to use other naming standards? Lugnuts (talk) 09:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Well, WP:COMMON NAME probably comes into it too. Note too that at one point someone moved this page to Leeds Metropolitan Borough Council election, 2012, as part of a pattern of unhelpful pattern-breaking moves which appeared to be part of an interaction with a long-established serious editor who has now, to the loss of the encyclopedia, retired. Very sad. PamD 09:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Probably or definetly? I moved this page in good faith, per the comments of said user posted on my talkpage, after creating a page with an incorrect title for a Welsh election (look for yourself). Very sad that said user then left with his tail between his legs, rather than help further. Yes. Lugnuts (talk) 10:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
COMMONNAME isn't relevant. This isn't some long-winded scientific name, or other reason to use it. IAR suggests moving them all to this standard - do you agree? If not, why not? Lugnuts (talk) 09:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Reading COMMONNAME a bit more, then the upcoming Olympics should be at London 2012. But it's not. Lugnuts (talk) 10:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Does that not prove the point though? That there is no convention across Wikipedia which fits the attitude of "there's a policy for everything"? Exceptions exist to prove rules. "Leeds Council election" works in its own context, just as London 2012 does not. Sometimes it's best not to force conformity. 78.86.102.100 (talk) 12:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
However, this isn't one such time. Lugnuts (talk) 18:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose There is no such thing as "Leeds Council". The full name of council should be used (one that is correct is Ipswich Borough Council election, 2012) - most of the other pages are improperly named. If the full name of the council isn't used, then Council (in the title) shouldn't be capitalised as it isn't a proper noun (i.e. it should be "Leeds council election"). Number 57 10:55, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose Because this is the correct name. Surely using correct designations for all local election article names leads to a consistent outcome? If that means changing other article names then so be it.sephia karta | dimmi 12:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

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There appears to be a mixture of usage both with and without the City, for example Birmingham has 4 years with and one without. May be time to look more widely and see if we can standardise across the patch. Keith D (talk) 23:29, 1 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Could I support Keith D's suggestion above- I think we need to consider standardising the titles, and perhaps the wider structure of articles across local election pages. I am aware of different pages adopting different naming styles - some with 'City' or 'County' between place and 'election', and some without. From my experience there are a number of us here who frequently create, update and maintain articles related to local elections, so perhaps we should consider forming a United Kingdom local elections Project where we could all work constructively together and have a space to discuss things like this, and try to reach a concensus for the benefit of all local election articles.Spiritofsussex (talk) 10:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
See Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums or Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom for possible existing projects - may be a worrkgrough of one of those may be appropriate. Keith D (talk) 11:41, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Sounds good, Keith. I don't know how active those two projects are, maybe the two could be combined if they are quiet. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 11:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Support the idea of discussion both for names and content of local election articles. But regarding content, there will never be constitency because some councils acquire articles on every regular election (with full ward results etc) while many others do not. Sussexonian (talk) 20:44, 3 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
It needed discussing before any action was taken, as I said it needs to be consistent, not just for this year. In other metropolitan districts such as Wakefield or Bolton, the most commonly used term is Wakefield Council election or Bolton Council election and I suggest it might be in Leeds.J3Mrs (talk) 09:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Right, 7 days have gone - stick a fork in this one, it's done. Lugnuts (talk) 19:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
More than a week has gone by with 4 users support the page moved back and 3 oppose it. So the consensus is that the page should be reverted back to its original title. HLE (talk) 18:13, 9 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Nice try, but you're wrong. None of the page-move votes have any policy based rationale behind them. Lugnuts (talk) 18:17, 9 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
WP:Consensus says otherwise. Your continuing badgering won't alter the majority vote. HLE (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Please assume good faith, son. Consensus can change, as it clearly has done here. As pointed out, above, there simply no such thing as "Leeds Council". Thanks for your contributions. Lugnuts (talk) 19:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
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